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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 80751" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p>Not ill here. Just a simple comment on the fact that in the Bible, satan used the Bible to his ends to achieve his goal. I said nothing more, nothing less.</p><p> </p><p>Except that management uses and quotes the contract, many times out of context, to achieve their goals.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Perhaps and it has always been a pleasure of mine to be able to out quote the minister on what the bible holds. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/w00t.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":w00t:" title="W00t :w00t:" data-shortname=":w00t:" /></span></p><p> </p><p>But as a practical matter, the whole thing was written as vague as our tax code, and for a reason. </p><p> And my thoughts are that Casey was smart enough to understand that whatever the cost of bringing in the union, it was far cheaper than to let internal workings find their way into the court systems.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy">True to some degree. You do realize however that a more indepth version of the contract exists in the coffers of UPS and the teamsters union that lists the original intent behind much of the contract? Its also why I listed the process in addition to the contract. There are I believe quite a few local, regional and national level joint panels and committees designed to actually address the type of issues we are discussing on this thread. I do believe they should be allowed to do their job , do you?</span></p><p> </p><p>But since you did bring it up. there are times when in negotiations that there is give and take. I have seen where the company has had one person that they wanted rid of very badly. So in say 7 termination hearings, deals were made where the 6 other people get only token suspensions, but the one they want rid of gets to hit the road. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy">yes sir I am sure you are right. And in all honesty from what I saw that one person usually begged to be fired. In fact I would say I have seen more people that also deserved to be fired several times and somehow survive. </span></p><p> <span style="color: Navy">Danny I really think you're in a different arena here. The issues of Injury compensation, disability and reasonable accomodation are issues the union and company should work out through these joint internal panels. I despise people smacking me with the contract when it suits them and bypassing it when it does not. This subject is one where that occurs.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">You answer about the sleazeball lawyer sneaking around here outside the discovery process was somewhat dissapointing. The guy is circumventing the discovery process to contact current and former UPS employees for information and for contacts that could possibly help his case. I'm sure its perfectly legal but definitely somewhat shady or sneaky. Where I come which is not far from where you came from we don't mince words. Shady or sneaky is unethical. Defense of such inexecusable. </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">The fact Danny is there are legitimate victims of UPS that deserve to be compensated for their troubles. However there are many more treasure seekers trying to collect on the injury lottery ticket and many snake oil salesman lawyers trying to push those people to circumvent the union process to seek their quick pot of gold. </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Many more treasure seekers then victims out there Danny. Many , many more. </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 80751, member: 1912"] Not ill here. Just a simple comment on the fact that in the Bible, satan used the Bible to his ends to achieve his goal. I said nothing more, nothing less. Except that management uses and quotes the contract, many times out of context, to achieve their goals. [COLOR=Navy]Perhaps and it has always been a pleasure of mine to be able to out quote the minister on what the bible holds. :w00t:[/COLOR] But as a practical matter, the whole thing was written as vague as our tax code, and for a reason. And my thoughts are that Casey was smart enough to understand that whatever the cost of bringing in the union, it was far cheaper than to let internal workings find their way into the court systems. [COLOR=Navy]True to some degree. You do realize however that a more indepth version of the contract exists in the coffers of UPS and the teamsters union that lists the original intent behind much of the contract? Its also why I listed the process in addition to the contract. There are I believe quite a few local, regional and national level joint panels and committees designed to actually address the type of issues we are discussing on this thread. I do believe they should be allowed to do their job , do you?[/COLOR] But since you did bring it up. there are times when in negotiations that there is give and take. I have seen where the company has had one person that they wanted rid of very badly. So in say 7 termination hearings, deals were made where the 6 other people get only token suspensions, but the one they want rid of gets to hit the road. [COLOR=Navy]yes sir I am sure you are right. And in all honesty from what I saw that one person usually begged to be fired. In fact I would say I have seen more people that also deserved to be fired several times and somehow survive. [/COLOR] [COLOR=Navy]Danny I really think you're in a different arena here. The issues of Injury compensation, disability and reasonable accomodation are issues the union and company should work out through these joint internal panels. I despise people smacking me with the contract when it suits them and bypassing it when it does not. This subject is one where that occurs. You answer about the sleazeball lawyer sneaking around here outside the discovery process was somewhat dissapointing. The guy is circumventing the discovery process to contact current and former UPS employees for information and for contacts that could possibly help his case. I'm sure its perfectly legal but definitely somewhat shady or sneaky. Where I come which is not far from where you came from we don't mince words. Shady or sneaky is unethical. Defense of such inexecusable. The fact Danny is there are legitimate victims of UPS that deserve to be compensated for their troubles. However there are many more treasure seekers trying to collect on the injury lottery ticket and many snake oil salesman lawyers trying to push those people to circumvent the union process to seek their quick pot of gold. Many more treasure seekers then victims out there Danny. Many , many more. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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