goinparcel
Member
remember all mangament is being pressured to keep their jobs...this turns good people bad and bad people worse...recognize your leaders and support them...deal with the loosers by steering clear and hope they get the axe
1800 jobs on CNN.....
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satellitedriver
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My wife was the first employee hired in a small internet based company. She now is in control of shipping and customer service.
This small company now spends over 1 million dollars yearly in shipping products world wide.
UPS gets less than 5% of their shipping, due to those pennies-(more like dollars)-.
International shipping, UPS has improved by lowering their cost to meet USPS prices,-( read as selling for less)- but only to about 60% of the countries my wife ships product to.
Our growth as a company is only based on the economy and products shipped.
Just some simple calculus for you.
-( the terms We, Us and Our is synonymous with UPS)-
Our shipping base is finite.
We are already the major mover of parcels in the US.
We are at a point of "diminishing returns" in time, money and effort, to try and increase profit.
IMHEO, we need to focus on service, to our core base.
UPS has a myriad of other arms in the economic world and will survive into the future, in name only.
We are increasing volume with Basic, at a 50% reduced profit.
We are increasing international volume, by cutting our profit margin.
We are cutting our own throats.
Oh, BTW,
My wife's company is about to get 6 pallet loads of shipping boxes with their company name and logo printed on them for free from USPS.
Nothing like competing against a company that can sell stamps to make up their loss and have our Congress back them up.
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upssalesguy
UPS Defender
please stop posting all your responses in green, its hard to read.
your caveat basically enforces my point. how can we spend MORE money on service when our customer are paying us less for packages, because of the competition? where does that money come from? what happens when it runs out?
and how about turning in a sales lead FOR YOUR WIFE'S COMPANY?!?!?! I do not know a district anywhere that is going to let fedex beat UPS by DOLLARS on domestic shipping for a $1 million plus account. you sir, might have your information a little wrong.
and what additional service can UPS provide to allow her company to justify higher costs for shipping? especially if that package is being delivered in europe? we already have more time definite options than anyone, and they could better maximize their transportation dollars if they spent time with a good UPS Account Executive.
Customers who dual source these days do not realize the additional costs associated with shipping, labor, tracking, customer service, etc, especially if this company has fedex express, fedex ground, UPS, and the USPS picking up.
one company bro, that's UPS. help us help them.
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My wife was the first employee hired in a small internet based company. She now is in control of shipping and customer service.
This small company now spends over 1 million dollars yearly in shipping products world wide.
UPS gets less than 5% of their shipping, due to those pennies-(more like dollars)-.
International shipping, UPS has improved by lowering their cost to meet USPS prices,-( read as selling for less)- but only to about 60% of the countries my wife ships product to.
Our growth as a company is only based on the economy and products shipped.
Just some simple calculus for you.
-( the terms We, Us and Our is synonymous with UPS)-
Our shipping base is finite.
We are already the major mover of parcels in the US.
We are at a point of "diminishing returns" in time, money and effort, to try and increase profit.
IMHEO, we need to focus on service, to our core base.
UPS has a myriad of other arms in the economic world and will survive into the future, in name only.
We are increasing volume with Basic, at a 50% reduced profit.
We are increasing international volume, by cutting our profit margin.
We are cutting our own throats.
Oh, BTW,
My wife's company is about to get 6 pallet loads of shipping boxes with their company name and logo printed on them for free from USPS.
Nothing like competing against a company that can sell stamps to make up their loss and have our Congress back them up.
The Party for the POST OFFICE is amost now over because their billion dollar losses are no longer going to be tolerated by congress and the tax payers. It is annoying to see all these tv ads about one size fits all shipping as a tax payer and UPSER. The post office will never see a profit so its just a matter of time. Just ask anyone who works for the post office. The internet is killing them and its only been 10 short years.
upsgrunt
Well-Known Member
My wife was the first employee hired in a small internet based company. She now is in control of shipping and customer service.
This small company now spends over 1 million dollars yearly in shipping products world wide.
UPS gets less than 5% of their shipping, due to those pennies-(more like dollars)-.
International shipping, UPS has improved by lowering their cost to meet USPS prices,-( read as selling for less)- but only to about 60% of the countries my wife ships product to.
Our growth as a company is only based on the economy and products shipped.
Just some simple calculus for you.
-( the terms We, Us and Our is synonymous with UPS)-
Our shipping base is finite.
We are already the major mover of parcels in the US.
We are at a point of "diminishing returns" in time, money and effort, to try and increase profit.
IMHEO, we need to focus on service, to our core base.
UPS has a myriad of other arms in the economic world and will survive into the future, in name only.
We are increasing volume with Basic, at a 50% reduced profit.
We are increasing international volume, by cutting our profit margin.
We are cutting our own throats.
Oh, BTW,
My wife's company is about to get 6 pallet loads of shipping boxes with their company name and logo printed on them for free from USPS.
Nothing like competing against a company that can sell stamps to make up their loss and have our Congress back them up.
The Party for the POST OFFICE is amost now over because their billion dollar losses are no longer going to be tolerated by congress and the tax payers. It is annoying to see all these tv ads about one size fits all shipping as a tax payer and UPSER. The post office will never see a profit so its just a matter of time. Just ask anyone who works for the post office. The internet is killing them and its only been 10 short years.
More like 20 years- Thanks to Al Gore
brownsdollars
New Member
Working for the affected department and supporting a family of five it is NOT EASY; therefore, some of you have NO RIGHT to comment with "Dead Weight" some of you folks still have your jobs! Some can afford the cuts, but if your adminstraitive it is a hardship. Some will be bumped into part-time positions and others will be bumped in to less favorable jobs. It amazes me that everybody has an opinion and I bet that some of these comments are from either retired UPSERS or others outside our department! Operations and Sales have too many and if anything there is more than one place to cut; however, they took a hatchet to the finance department and usually that is where we set the bar and lead by example so keep in mind that maybe your jobs are next so think twice since it is NOT over folks-- not by a long shot!
brownsdollars
New Member
Outofmyway,
We have had a lot of good supervisors demoted since they use them as scape goats. Our building manager took a sort manager and busted him down to a full-time supervisor because he did not finish the sort on time for a week and it was not his fault, but a trickel down from previous shifts that did not finish on time. Of course the other sort managers were friendly with her and this guy just told her the truth, but she could not handle that. Instead of giving him a chance she made an example of him and there were more than one she did that to. Then we have other supervisors/managers that spend most of their time in the office on the PC looking at sport stats and don't do much unless it hits the fan. Or the supervisor/manager will also make mistakes and pass the buck on to somebody who did not make the mistake. In my case, being a supervisor myself I have lost confidence in my management team since those situations. I also reported a situation of hurassment that affected myself and they moved the guy; however, it took 3 times for him to hurass others before he was forced to resign. So I can say without a doubt there are things that our company still turn a blind eye to!
We have had a lot of good supervisors demoted since they use them as scape goats. Our building manager took a sort manager and busted him down to a full-time supervisor because he did not finish the sort on time for a week and it was not his fault, but a trickel down from previous shifts that did not finish on time. Of course the other sort managers were friendly with her and this guy just told her the truth, but she could not handle that. Instead of giving him a chance she made an example of him and there were more than one she did that to. Then we have other supervisors/managers that spend most of their time in the office on the PC looking at sport stats and don't do much unless it hits the fan. Or the supervisor/manager will also make mistakes and pass the buck on to somebody who did not make the mistake. In my case, being a supervisor myself I have lost confidence in my management team since those situations. I also reported a situation of hurassment that affected myself and they moved the guy; however, it took 3 times for him to hurass others before he was forced to resign. So I can say without a doubt there are things that our company still turn a blind eye to!
UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
I see that this is your first post so I will try and be gentle.
If you are an admin, the word has one less (i) in it than you put there. I am sure it was just a mistake.
The sales force and operations are the life blood of the company. Therefore you need to keep those organs strong and healthy. A poorly run company will cut it's sales force and die a slow and agonizing death. This is no different in operations. Departments like HR, Finance, Industrial Engineering and to a certain extent Plant Engineering can all be consolidated.
An astute employee (more so a non-union/management person), is always looking to find the job that will help propel their income and chance of promotion to a higher level. For example, you find out which department that more managers are promoted from and you ask for a transfer there. Most admins have seen that whole departments have been consolidated and farmed out - such as our telephone centers... so - you ask for a transfer to Plant Engineering or Automotive as an admin. They will always have at least one or two to get the paperwork done. You could probably live your life there without worrying about a layoff.
Now is it to late for you? .... maybe/maybe not.... but you may have to start out slow. Make sure you spell check your own position first. This will help to make a better first impression.
Good Luck and welcome to BC.
The problem with your observation is that astute employees, particularly non-union administrative specialist, OMS's and the such are very limited in their job advancements. I got to feel sorry for most of them considering they just were not given the perks/early stock options/MIPs that their management peers have enjoyed over the decades. Their retirement benefits are locked in with their best five years and their annual salaries are nowhere near to what a manager would be able to qualify for with the same employment time with the company. Face it the the deck has been stacked for a long time to provide a select few with a good retirement or termination package, equality and fair play has never been a dominant issue with the corporation and from first hand experience also with the union.I see that this is your first post so I will try and be gentle.
If you are an admin, the word has one less (i) in it than you put there. I am sure it was just a mistake.
The sales force and operations are the life blood of the company. Therefore you need to keep those organs strong and healthy. A poorly run company will cut it's sales force and die a slow and agonizing death. This is no different in operations. Departments like HR, Finance, Industrial Engineering and to a certain extent Plant Engineering can all be consolidated.
An astute employee (more so a non-union/management person), is always looking to find the job that will help propel their income and chance of promotion to a higher level. For example, you find out which department that more managers are promoted from and you ask for a transfer there. Most admins have seen that whole departments have been consolidated and farmed out - such as our telephone centers... so - you ask for a transfer to Plant Engineering or Automotive as an admin. They will always have at least one or two to get the paperwork done. You could probably live your life there without worrying about a layoff.
Now is it to late for you? .... maybe/maybe not.... but you may have to start out slow. Make sure you spell check your own position first. This will help to make a better first impression.
So, is this downsizing going to make things better or worse that will be the question at large. What I see is that the long term managers who qualify for the EBO will be doing a happy dance. The redundant individuals who will not qualify for early retirement will be jockeying for positions or see the writing on the wall and leave. The non-union administrative people will be offered a very limited severage package that most will not except and be provided some opportunities in other work areas. How it will effect the long term union employee, who knows. Guess we all have to wait and see and hope for the best....
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UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
Cezanne,
I used astute and put it in bold for a reason. I chose that word carefully. It means having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn it to one's advantage.
Cream rises to the top. I have had quite a few admins work for me or indirectly reported to me. I have made this assessment based on actual observation over the years. Most admins are great employees but they have settled into their comfort zone and are uneasy or unwilling to take the chance or risk it takes to better position themselves. I won't accept passing responsibility on to someone else. I watched astute admins move up the ladder due to their ability to fulfill the definition above. At the very least, an astute admin can reach their top pay grade and find a job that is least likely going to be eliminated. You don't do this by chance. You look at the growing areas of the company or the departments that cannot be farmed out or the positions that require tight UPS control and do not have layers of redundancy and you fill those slots.
Example 1 - managment (me) - I was a supervisor in Customer Service (loved the job) but it was a dead end. Only one manager a year was being promoted. I asked to go to operations where 4 to 5 managers a year were being promoted. When I got a chance to be promoted, it was as a preload manager. I turned the position down because at the time, preload managers were being taken from hub managers and not package. I figured I could end up as a hub manager when I really wanted to be a package manager. I did not want to be pigeon holed into an area that could keep me on nights for my whole career.
Example 2 - admin. This person started in IE and spoke broken English, as someone who input data into charts for me. She wanted more responsibility and took on jobs from other admins who didn't want to do the work. She learned how to create work flow for the "new" intranet we were developing in our district. She wanted to know how to move to the next level and I told her, she went to school, got her degree while raising a family, she worked diligently on her English and writing skills and did everything to move up the ranks. She had 4 different jobs that no longer are part of UPS. She moved from IE to Business Development and worked her way into International Sales as a grade 12. She is the cream of the crop and I know quite a few more like her.
We make our own fate. Those who blame others for their failings or lack of foresight.
There are very successful corporations who cut the bottom 5% of their workforce every year. This continues to pump new blood into the corporation and gives those who have the skill, the incentive to work diligently to stay out of that bottom 5%!
I used astute and put it in bold for a reason. I chose that word carefully. It means having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn it to one's advantage.
Cream rises to the top. I have had quite a few admins work for me or indirectly reported to me. I have made this assessment based on actual observation over the years. Most admins are great employees but they have settled into their comfort zone and are uneasy or unwilling to take the chance or risk it takes to better position themselves. I won't accept passing responsibility on to someone else. I watched astute admins move up the ladder due to their ability to fulfill the definition above. At the very least, an astute admin can reach their top pay grade and find a job that is least likely going to be eliminated. You don't do this by chance. You look at the growing areas of the company or the departments that cannot be farmed out or the positions that require tight UPS control and do not have layers of redundancy and you fill those slots.
Example 1 - managment (me) - I was a supervisor in Customer Service (loved the job) but it was a dead end. Only one manager a year was being promoted. I asked to go to operations where 4 to 5 managers a year were being promoted. When I got a chance to be promoted, it was as a preload manager. I turned the position down because at the time, preload managers were being taken from hub managers and not package. I figured I could end up as a hub manager when I really wanted to be a package manager. I did not want to be pigeon holed into an area that could keep me on nights for my whole career.
Example 2 - admin. This person started in IE and spoke broken English, as someone who input data into charts for me. She wanted more responsibility and took on jobs from other admins who didn't want to do the work. She learned how to create work flow for the "new" intranet we were developing in our district. She wanted to know how to move to the next level and I told her, she went to school, got her degree while raising a family, she worked diligently on her English and writing skills and did everything to move up the ranks. She had 4 different jobs that no longer are part of UPS. She moved from IE to Business Development and worked her way into International Sales as a grade 12. She is the cream of the crop and I know quite a few more like her.
We make our own fate. Those who blame others for their failings or lack of foresight.
There are very successful corporations who cut the bottom 5% of their workforce every year. This continues to pump new blood into the corporation and gives those who have the skill, the incentive to work diligently to stay out of that bottom 5%!
Probably not as much as it does to you.True some-body's got to make the sell (you) but there's somebody on the other end closing the deal(me)and don't forget everyone in between.You can say making service cost money but not without saying that's what makes money.
Oh and if you want to misspell my user name that's ok, could you spell it "sperman" instead? I did get a chuckle on that.
upssalesguy
UPS Defender
sperm-man? ha-ha.
I didnt mean to minimize anyone's role in the package sales>pickup>delivery>billing process.
