2 Center Managers Gone!

[rod]

Wow you really are the King of all Managers!

What if the pawns won't move like you want them to? Can you really control injuries, the volume and the weather with your ego alone?

On top of all this I bet The King of all Managers is one of those that thinks he is qualified to give medical advise also. "What do you mean you have a broken leg and can't finnish your route? You have to walk those kind of injuries out son"

 

[satellitedriver]

"Numbers", as you put it, is not a game, it is a direct result of effective leadership, which every management person accepts as required when they become UPS (as opposed to working FOR UPS). If the center manager's were not reaching their goal, then they were NOT effective leaders. Period. Whatever politics you suspect were considered in the decision to ask for their resignation wouldn't have come into play if they were supervising their team effectively. Management at ALL TIMES holds its future in its own hands.

Cheers, and stay safe out there.

Your post tells me two things, about yourself, and implies a third.
Firstly, you are just a wanna be.
Secondly, you are young and need to learn sentence structure.
Thirdly, the implications are obvious.

 

[Braveheart]

We had 2 center managers ask to leave last week. In all the years I have been here I never seen 2 get it at one time. My building only has 2 center manager's so now the sups are running the show. Its a shame 1 guy was really liked by his drivers and the other guy wasn't very well liked and he was due to retire within weeks!! Ouch! I hear it was a numbers game that got them. Anybody else seen this before or do you think the way business is now they are looking for any reason to blow people out of here???

Tampa Bay fan, were those two managers let go in Tampa?

 

[squirlygirly]

I don't have any idea what happened to these managers, but I have lived long enough to know that you can't control everything. Just like a coach can try to prepare his team for success he can't guarantee it.

I think skewing the numbers comes from trying to please managers like Lights Out(should I know who he is?) rather than having superiors who can accept the truth and work from there.

This link might help to give you a "wee-bit" insight to your ???

I posted the following link about a week ago in the forum titled

"Management Memo Shows Bosses Amok" and the link is:

http://tdu.org/files/marchcost-cuttinginitiatives.pdf
(hopefully I did it right this time...)

Not only is the "link" worth the read, but I gotta deeply appreciate peoples differences of opinions, both far and wide, along with a little bit of common sense thrown in.

I had a one-sided opinion about "the memo" when I first posted the link. Different sides+different opinions=glad to know I still have an open mind. Definitely an interesting read... ~:->

 

[longlunchguy]

Ours is a small center. We have about 45 routes on the road a day. When the manager of the equally small center 30 miles north of us left (I don't know the circumstance regarding his departure) our manager was told he now had to run both buildings. I feel for the guy. Twice as much responsibility, no more money. But he told me that upper management said they had to find a way to cut costs. Saving an entire center manager's compensation package is a lot of savings. Meanwhile, we somehow still get it done. Soon we'll have a bunch of on roads and oms clerks. The center will be run via computer and gps tracking and telematics. George Orwell was only off by 30 yrs or so!

 

[HEFFERNAN]

The center manager's around here are TOLD how many routes to put in. Then its up to the dispatch sup to work PAS to even it out among all the drivers. They can't even put in an extra route when they know they need it.

The center manager's job is to make sure everything runs smooth, disciplines errors, and TRY to keep morale up. They don't run the show anymore.

 

[Bubblehead]

Ours is a small center. We have about 45 routes on the road a day. When the manager of the equally small center 30 miles north of us left (I don't know the circumstance regarding his departure) our manager was told he now had to run both buildings. I feel for the guy. Twice as much responsibility, no more money. But he told me that upper management said they had to find a way to cut costs. Saving an entire center manager's compensation package is a lot of savings. Meanwhile, we somehow still get it done. Soon we'll have a bunch of on roads and oms clerks. The center will be run via computer and gps tracking and telematics. George Orwell was only off by 30 yrs or so!

Shows me that Center Managers don't make many tangable contributions to the operation any more.
Like I said before they are simply here to facilitate decisions and directives from the corporate tower.

 

[govols019]

A center manager is there to hand out disciplinary actions and to be someone for upper management to holler at.

 

[dragracer66]

"Numbers", as you put it, is not a game, it is a direct result of effective leadership, which every management person accepts as required when they become UPS (as opposed to working FOR UPS). If the center manager's were not reaching their goal, then they were NOT effective leaders. Period. Whatever politics you suspect were considered in the decision to ask for their resignation wouldn't have come into play if they were supervising their team effectively. Management at ALL TIMES holds its future in its own hands.

Cheers, and stay safe out there.

WOW..... What a dush.... You can't be for real. Your either NOT a manager or a wanna be trying to spread your poison to the wrong group of people on here!! There is management people on here who don't even speak like that. Let me guess you have the policy book memorized or close to it. Relax "KING" loosen your tie, sit back, put the UPS newbe playbook down, take a deep breath, and thank those drivers that are out there busting there ass's to make you look good so you don't have to fudge your numbers!!!!

 

[Re-Raise]

Shows me that Center Managers don't make many tangable contributions to the operation any more.
Like I said before they are simply here to facilitate decisions and directives from the corporate tower.

I agree. That is why I had to laugh reading LightsOut's post. He said all it takes to make your numbers is strong leadership from your manager. HUH.

My center shares it's center manager with another center. I have seen him 3 times in 6 months. He hasn't exactly led me anywhere. I have no idea who anyone at the district or division level is.

Our center is apparently always at the top of some balanced scorecard thing and we haven't had an accident or injury in years. I am sure the managers are all lining up to take the credit for their great leadership.

I work with a great bunch of people, men and women who care about service and our customers. WE are UPS. The towns I deliver to have had 2 bid drivers in the last 30 years. I couldn't try to guess how many managers have come and gone through my building in that time.

I find it interesting that when people choose their avatars they select something important to them like their kids,a pet, or some hobby of theirs.
Lights Out put a big picture of himself in his suit.

 

[brownmonster]

Reminds me of an old joke. What do you call 2 center managers that were let go on the same day...........a good start

 

[Bubblehead]

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I find it interesting that when people choose their avatars they select something important to them like their kids,a pet, or some hobby of theirs.
Lights Out put a big picture of himself in his suit.

I noticed that too.
Also noticed that it is no longer his avatar.
Wonder if it was "mediated" out or if he realized how silly it looked.

 

[bamaupser]

Ours is a small center. We have about 45 routes on the road a day. When the manager of the equally small center 30 miles north of us left (I don't know the circumstance regarding his departure) our manager was told he now had to run both buildings. I feel for the guy. Twice as much responsibility, no more money. But he told me that upper management said they had to find a way to cut costs. Saving an entire center manager's compensation package is a lot of savings. Meanwhile, we somehow still get it done. Soon we'll have a bunch of on roads and oms clerks. The center will be run via computer and gps tracking and telematics. George Orwell was only off by 30 yrs or so!

Alabama was the "pilot" for two buildings per center starting in 1995. The rest of the country needs to get ready, this reduction will be coming to an area near you soon!! Enjoy.......

 

[Re-Raise]

I noticed that too.
Also noticed that it is no longer his avatar.
Wonder if it was "mediated" out or if he realized how silly it looked.

I kept thinking maybe this guy is the CEO or something. I know what Eskew looked like but I have never seen Davis.

Then I thought that was a quite a run on sentence at the beginning of his post for a CEO. center manager's should be CMs. Grammar is not his strong point , but hey the suit looks gooood.

Why would someone with any real confidence call themselves King of Managers.

 

[Catatonic]

I noticed that too.
Also noticed that it is no longer his avatar.
Wonder if it was "mediated" out or if he realized how silly it looked.

I heard Scott asked him if he had ever hear of a guy named STUG?

 

[UPSNewbie]

I kept thinking maybe this guy is the CEO or something. I know what Eskew looked like but I have never seen Davis.

Then I thought that was a quite a run on sentence at the beginning of his post for a CEO. center manager's should be CMs. Grammar is not his strong point , but hey the suit looks gooood.

Why would someone with any real confidence call themselves King of Managers.

I googled "Scott Davis" in pictures, but then some gay porn popped up, so I closed that tab in a hurry...

 

[Re-Raise]

I googled "Scott Davis" in pictures, but then some gay porn popped up, so I closed that tab in a hurry...

Did your wife buy that story?

 

[pickup]

I googled "Scott Davis" in pictures, but then some gay porn popped up, so I closed that tab in a hurry...

I googled "scott davis ups" and got this url from the official ups website. I don't know how to import pictures so you would have to go to this link. That picture on the avatar and this picture look to be of the same person. Doesn't necessarily mean poster is Scott Davis just like I am not dave kingman. http://www.pressroom.ups.com/execforum/bios/bio/0,1394,42,00.html

 

[pickup]

Under Scott Davis' picture is pretty much his resume: rather impressive. After he graduated college , he worked for Arthur Anderson: an accounting firm that was once a giant and many of its accounting cases were literally text book cases for books by for accounting majors. The name might sound familiar as it was the accounting firm that pretty much fudged the numbers for a company called Enron. The fudging allowed Enron to perpetuate a fraud of enormous proportions. In all fairness, other accounting firms rubberstamped and fudged numbers for the companies they worked for in order to get the more lucrative consulting business. Also, in fairness, I must mention that Mr. Davis obviously left the employ of Arthur Anderson way before any of these particular accounting shenanigans started.

The thing that hits me, according to his bio, he is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve board in Atlanta. That is big. By being on that board, he has a better idea of the real economic conditions ,present and upcoming, than the most astute financial outsider. I don't necessarily agree for the need for a federal reserve (Yay, ron paul) but still it is impressive.

 

[pretzel_man]

Under Scott Davis' picture is pretty much his resume: rather impressive. After he graduated college , he worked for Arthur Anderson: an accounting firm that was once a giant and many of its accounting cases were literally text book cases for books by for accounting majors. The name might sound familiar as it was the accounting firm that pretty much fudged the numbers for a company called Enron. The fudging allowed Enron to perpetuate a fraud of enormous proportions. In all fairness, other accounting firms rubberstamped and fudged numbers for the companies they worked for in order to get the more lucrative consulting business. Also, in fairness, I must mention that Mr. Davis obviously left the employ of Arthur Anderson way before any of these particular accounting shenanigans started.

The thing that hits me, according to his bio, he is now the chairman of the Federal Reserve board in Atlanta. That is big. By being on that board, he has a better idea of the real economic conditions ,present and upcoming, than the most astute financial outsider. I don't necessarily agree for the need for a federal reserve (Yay, ron paul) but still it is impressive.

Scott is a very smart and impressive guy. When you look at his resume and background, its very similar to George Smith.

Smith came from the outside. He was an accountant with a company that consulated for UPS. Casey asked him to join UPS and after a few years, George came aboard.

Scott was CFO for IIMorrow (a company that UPS bought and later sold). He then became CEO for IIMorrow and when UPS sold the company, Scott was asked to stay on with UPS.

Scott will tell people that he didn't intend to stay with UPS initially (when IIMorrow was purchased). However, after seeing UPS people and culture, he decided that this was a company better than others he had worked with.

George Smith was asked to replace Casey as CEO. UPS and Casey had confidence in George (even though he didn't start out within UPS). In the first 5 years with George as CEO, UPS grew in size by 150%.

I hope Scott can lead us as well. So far, I think he is doing a fine job.

P-Man