22.3 Over Time

Overpaid Union Thug

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I wish we had more 22.3 jobs. It would be nice to know that more of our drivers (including myself) would have options and not have to remain on the road for our entire careers. I understand the need to get some OT but I don't want to take any work away from part-timers either. On the rare occasion I have to work inside due to route cuts I even refuse to work in smalls because I don't want to screw a part-timer out of their skilled pay. Especially since I'm working at driver's pay no matter what job I'm in. We get enough OT as drivers already so I'm straight but if I had a 22.3 I don't think I'd be pressing the issue much.
 

IDoLessWorkThanMost

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22.3 jobs have always been confusing... to most folks. The company has done everything to stay within the confine of the contract (kicking, scratching and clawing the whole time!)

22.3 jobs were a concession by the company, a concession they did not want to see, and the company will not give an inch to create additional cost by allowing OT.

It is cheaper to add a PT employee than to pay OT. If you were running a business you would do the same thing.

A couple of additional points....

Home Center - which operation will benefit from the OT and which operation will have to pay it? This has always been a big mess - pay was a major issue at the beginning of the 22.3 process along with training, job assignments and transfer rights, etc. etc. etc !!!

Initially, there were employees that were working longer than their alloted time on the 1st shift which caused the second shift to have staffing issues and get behind. Now the employee can no longer work past the schedule and must report on time to the second shift. Any scheduling changes must be communicated by the Home Center to the other shift.

How do you think that usually works? LOL!

OT is an expense that is easily controlled for inside jobs. If a manager can't control it, the division manager will find someone who will control it.

At the West Coast Air Hub - this is usually a major problem the last 3 weeks before peak. The union and labor agreed upon a course of action that seems to work well. There is an other work sign up sheet. With out going into to much detail there are some rules that must be followed. Any employee can sign up for extra work on one additional shift. If you fail to report 3 times (or they can't get a hold of you) you are off the list until the next month where you can sign up again. I used to have a shop steward help make the calls .... this eliminates the distrust.

Like I said, this seems to work very well....during this peak time frame there are no additional PT employees to work so 22.3 are allowed to participate if they sign up the previous month.

It's pretty blantly mismanged how a 7 month part-timer can do whatever he wnats because hes buddy buddy with supervisors (hangs out with them, rides to work, stands around and talks during work hours) I'm a 7 year full-time 22.3 but get crushed in the heaviest load on the PD while these new guys do nothing but suck up and walk off bulk carts. Would this be considered discrimination? I am the only full-time guy out of 8 in the PD and am treated entirely differently. Apparently in the hubs where there's no union representation, managers do as they wish in regards to staffing with no regards for who is best for the job or who is senior.
 

tourists24

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Big Arrow, I found your signature quote quite interesting but am curious as to how Switzerland would fit in to your equation.
are you saying Switzerland is a country just full of freedom and liberty? socialism at its finest... I may be wrong, but arent you required to serve somewhere between 19 and 30 yrs old (no choice)? arrow's quote doesnt say a country would fall, he said you lose your liberties
 

Overpaid Union Thug

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are you saying Switzerland is a country just full of freedom and liberty? socialism at its finest... I may be wrong, but arent you required to serve somewhere between 19 and 30 yrs old (no choice)? arrow's quote doesnt say a country would fall, he said you lose your liberties

Good call Tourists24. People here just don't realize how socialist some of those European countries are.
 

UPS Lifer

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It's pretty blantly mismanged how a 7 month part-timer can do whatever he wnats because hes buddy buddy with supervisors (hangs out with them, rides to work, stands around and talks during work hours) I'm a 7 year full-time 22.3 but get crushed in the heaviest load on the PD while these new guys do nothing but suck up and walk off bulk carts. Would this be considered discrimination? I am the only full-time guy out of 8 in the PD and am treated entirely differently. Apparently in the hubs where there's no union representation, managers do as they wish in regards to staffing with no regards for who is best for the job or who is senior.

This sounds more like favoritism.

But since you brought up discrimination, that leaves me to believe you are in a protected class. Are you?
 

IDoLessWorkThanMost

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This sounds more like favoritism.

But since you brought up discrimination, that leaves me to believe you are in a protected class. Are you?


Long and short of it -I have an existing injury which the Army/Navy would not allow me to join ( in 2001) because of the condition. UPS sure hired me though no questions asked in Jan 2002. I believe this is a disability. The job I'm doing is by far the most difficult I've done because of the amount of pushing off on this leg (loading). not really sure where to go. management has no intention of moving me around, infact the twi manager laughed at me when I mentioned my body's condition and how long i'd be able to hold up.
 

UPS Lifer

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Long and short of it -I have an existing injury which the Army/Navy would not allow me to join ( in 2001) because of the condition. UPS sure hired me though no questions asked in Jan 2002. I believe this is a disability. The job I'm doing is by far the most difficult I've done because of the amount of pushing off on this leg (loading). not really sure where to go. management has no intention of moving me around, infact the twi manager laughed at me when I mentioned my body's condition and how long i'd be able to hold up.

I am playing the devil's advocate here - Did you disclose the injury when you were hired? Is it written on your application?

The reason I ask that is before you go and say that a previous injury is affecting the job you do now, that is one of the first questions anyone will ask. As you probably know, depending on what you did or didn't write on that application could be grounds for termination.

I would guess that someone would go through that application with a fine tooth comb.

If there is favoritism going on, you have a much better chance of making your case. You may have to get some advice from your union steward as to the local conditions that might apply to your situation. Another option is HR.

Personally, the first thing I would do is talk with the supervisor and tell that person how you feel and get a feel for the response you get back. This will also tell you what direction you need to go and how to build your case.

Hopefully, you won't have to do anything and the supervisor will be enlightened enough to make a few changes you could live with.

Put the fairness issue on the table and try to minimize any entitlement and you may have a more cooperative atmosphere to work out the problems.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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Socialism and liberty are not mutually exclusive by any means. Socialist Europe has some of the most liberty in the world.

Blue, I am confused. How can you have such a concise, well thought out reply to this thread and such a poorly written grouping of letters better suited to the recycling bin in your reply to WWJD?
 

dannyboy

From the promised LAND
Not that it matters, but at one time, part timers that worked over 5 hours at their classified jobs were paid overtime for anything more than 5. Problem is that there are so many classifications now, you are never going to get more than 5 hours in any of them. Several part timers in the building have worked 9-10 hours in a day, without earning overtime. But they do appriciate being able to earn extra money by working the extra hours.

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New Englander

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What elected union fool would try to piss off 20,000 + teamsters ?
Besides UPS makes $$ on combo jobs, full time workers at reduced rates.

LOL - UPS does not make money off of combo jobs. You had two part time jobs at part time rates combined into one full time job a higher full time rates. Even if they are less then ground rate.

There is a reason senior employees love these 22.3 jobs.
 
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