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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 948697" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>I ran a real quick sheet using the following assumptions (have to make assumptions)...</p><p></p><p>Starting Courier at $15.50 with top out of $22.50 (current scales)</p><p></p><p>Courier Starting last year receiving 3% raise this year. Bottom of scale NOT being increased by 3% this year, but increased by 3% each year after that. Top end increasing at 3% per year (basically a cost of living adjustment)</p><p></p><p>The 3% raise system for those with less than "half progression" is used for this hypothetical individual.</p><p></p><p>The question was: When does this Courier hit mid range in progression to kick up to a 5% pay increase. </p><p></p><p>Answer.... NEVER</p><p></p><p>At year 10, the Courier will be making $20.84, top end at that time will be $29.36, starting wage will be $20.22 (all effects of inflation, NOT real increases in purchasing power) and the Courier will be at 7% progression - a whopping 62 cents above starting wage. </p><p></p><p>At year 20, the Courier will be making $28.00, top end will be $39.45, starting wage will be $27.18 and progression will be.... 7%. A whopping 82 cents an hour above starting.</p><p></p><p>For those that are mathematically astute, whenever you increase an array of numbers by the same percent, the margins between those numbers by definition will remain the same regardless of the "year". Thus this particular Courier will always remain at 7% progression in scale. </p><p></p><p>When the top and bottom ends move up by the same percent "you" are receiving, the scale progression will remain a constant. In this case 7%. Express held back the bottom end of scale this year - "pushing" those in along in progression, but not doing a damn thing towards moving them towards top of scale. </p><p></p><p>Let's run another assumption... Assume that all Couriers receive a 5% pay increase each and every year, the bottom and top are each increased by 3% each year. How long to reach mid-progression?</p><p></p><p>It would take this Courier 12 years to hit mid progression under this assumption at $27.31. The bottom end would be $21.46 at this time and top end would be $31.15 (using the assumptions for starting and top out wage currently existing). If the 5% pay raise assumption were to be "stuck to" by Express each and every year without fail, it would take this individual that started last year 19 years to hit top out at what would be $38.30 then (in real terms, same as $22.50 in 2012 dollars). </p><p></p><p>As another poster has pointed out, it is traditional for jobs that are "like" those in Express (blue collar) to have employees hit top of pay scale at between 4 and 6 years of service. There is only so much "learning and experience" that goes on, after that, you are top of productivity and in most blue collar jobs, making top scale wage. </p><p></p><p>If you are in Express, you will NEVER hit top out under any system that Express dreams of (unless you are already at 75%+ progression and Express continues to throw out 6% pay raises for number of years). <em>Are you starting to see what Express really did? </em>You would literally be chasing the dragon, each year hoping to get closer and closer to "top out" while never getting even close.</p><p></p><p>In order to top out in 6 years (assuming the differentials between top and bottom of scale for Express), wage employees would have to receive what amounted to a 11% pay increase each and every year till they hit top out at year 6. </p><p></p><p>When I first started Express, this is what I was expecting as far as pay progression - a 10% or so pay increase till one hit top of scale. My first lesson of what Express really is came with the first pay raise cycle and I received about half of that. I started learning real quick that the Express I researched prior to going into wasn't the Express that existed at the time. It has only gotten worse over the past decade and will continue to get even worse. </p><p></p><p>In the 80's, Federal Express employees did in indeed receive pay raises that amounted to close to 10% of their wage till they hit top out. This is the Federal Express that is out in the "literature" and what most people think of when they think "Express Courier, you must be paid fairly well....). Everyone who has been in Express sometime in the last 5 years knows better. </p><p></p><p>There is nothing holding Fred back now since even the threat of unionization is now gone from Express. Fred spent his millions well, and now will be reaping the benefits of having a labor force compensated at well below market standards.</p><p></p><p> Get out now or as soon as you can - or you'll spend you working years chasing the dragon, thinking you'll top out somewhere in the future when in fact, you don't stand a chance in Hades...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 948697, member: 22880"] I ran a real quick sheet using the following assumptions (have to make assumptions)... Starting Courier at $15.50 with top out of $22.50 (current scales) Courier Starting last year receiving 3% raise this year. Bottom of scale NOT being increased by 3% this year, but increased by 3% each year after that. Top end increasing at 3% per year (basically a cost of living adjustment) The 3% raise system for those with less than "half progression" is used for this hypothetical individual. The question was: When does this Courier hit mid range in progression to kick up to a 5% pay increase. Answer.... NEVER At year 10, the Courier will be making $20.84, top end at that time will be $29.36, starting wage will be $20.22 (all effects of inflation, NOT real increases in purchasing power) and the Courier will be at 7% progression - a whopping 62 cents above starting wage. At year 20, the Courier will be making $28.00, top end will be $39.45, starting wage will be $27.18 and progression will be.... 7%. A whopping 82 cents an hour above starting. For those that are mathematically astute, whenever you increase an array of numbers by the same percent, the margins between those numbers by definition will remain the same regardless of the "year". Thus this particular Courier will always remain at 7% progression in scale. When the top and bottom ends move up by the same percent "you" are receiving, the scale progression will remain a constant. In this case 7%. Express held back the bottom end of scale this year - "pushing" those in along in progression, but not doing a damn thing towards moving them towards top of scale. Let's run another assumption... Assume that all Couriers receive a 5% pay increase each and every year, the bottom and top are each increased by 3% each year. How long to reach mid-progression? It would take this Courier 12 years to hit mid progression under this assumption at $27.31. The bottom end would be $21.46 at this time and top end would be $31.15 (using the assumptions for starting and top out wage currently existing). If the 5% pay raise assumption were to be "stuck to" by Express each and every year without fail, it would take this individual that started last year 19 years to hit top out at what would be $38.30 then (in real terms, same as $22.50 in 2012 dollars). As another poster has pointed out, it is traditional for jobs that are "like" those in Express (blue collar) to have employees hit top of pay scale at between 4 and 6 years of service. There is only so much "learning and experience" that goes on, after that, you are top of productivity and in most blue collar jobs, making top scale wage. If you are in Express, you will NEVER hit top out under any system that Express dreams of (unless you are already at 75%+ progression and Express continues to throw out 6% pay raises for number of years). [I]Are you starting to see what Express really did? [/I]You would literally be chasing the dragon, each year hoping to get closer and closer to "top out" while never getting even close. In order to top out in 6 years (assuming the differentials between top and bottom of scale for Express), wage employees would have to receive what amounted to a 11% pay increase each and every year till they hit top out at year 6. When I first started Express, this is what I was expecting as far as pay progression - a 10% or so pay increase till one hit top of scale. My first lesson of what Express really is came with the first pay raise cycle and I received about half of that. I started learning real quick that the Express I researched prior to going into wasn't the Express that existed at the time. It has only gotten worse over the past decade and will continue to get even worse. In the 80's, Federal Express employees did in indeed receive pay raises that amounted to close to 10% of their wage till they hit top out. This is the Federal Express that is out in the "literature" and what most people think of when they think "Express Courier, you must be paid fairly well....). Everyone who has been in Express sometime in the last 5 years knows better. There is nothing holding Fred back now since even the threat of unionization is now gone from Express. Fred spent his millions well, and now will be reaping the benefits of having a labor force compensated at well below market standards. Get out now or as soon as you can - or you'll spend you working years chasing the dragon, thinking you'll top out somewhere in the future when in fact, you don't stand a chance in Hades... [/QUOTE]
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