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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1147412" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Brother 104,</p><p></p><p>I have known Andy since he was a business agent back in 1997 during the strike. I agree, he is a stand up guy, and at our meeting, he was "more than" candid about our situation out here in the west. As I said earlier, there was no need for shouting and such, as he was "honest" about all issues, and even when pressed, he agreed with the members that "certain" language was bad and could spell disaster down the road.</p><p></p><p>I dont want to leave the impression that he was anything but upfront. It may not have been what we wanted to hear, but he was upfront about it. While, i dont believe that "he" and the west will be able to create such a plan, even if "equal" to the central states, cause, as i stated in ALL of my posts on the subject and one that Andy himself confirms, the only thing the West has to do is "MATCH" the central states plan and there is NO directive to "match" our current benefits.</p><p></p><p>The West's only obligation is to match the C6 plan as submitted to us so far, so for all practical purposes, we are, in fact, voting to ACCEPT the terms of the C6 plan. </p><p></p><p>All the talk about "finding" a better plan, is just that, talk. November 1st will roll around and we will be stuck in the central states C6 plan no matter what. Now, Andy did mention, that the "enhancements" to those 140,000 members being transitioned into the C6 plan DID NOT APPLY to those already in the plan. His exact words were , and I quote:</p><p></p><p>"those central states locals didnt back us, so they can phuque off on the enhancements" - quote Andy M.</p><p></p><p>"if they dont like it, then tough chitt" - quote Andy M.</p><p></p><p>I have "heard" otherwise from members already in the central states, so I am curious what those in the central states say now, hearing this.</p><p></p><p>I will not say that Andy will not try, I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I do suspect that the international is making so hard on him, that he will never realize his goals. </p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1147412, member: 17969"] Brother 104, I have known Andy since he was a business agent back in 1997 during the strike. I agree, he is a stand up guy, and at our meeting, he was "more than" candid about our situation out here in the west. As I said earlier, there was no need for shouting and such, as he was "honest" about all issues, and even when pressed, he agreed with the members that "certain" language was bad and could spell disaster down the road. I dont want to leave the impression that he was anything but upfront. It may not have been what we wanted to hear, but he was upfront about it. While, i dont believe that "he" and the west will be able to create such a plan, even if "equal" to the central states, cause, as i stated in ALL of my posts on the subject and one that Andy himself confirms, the only thing the West has to do is "MATCH" the central states plan and there is NO directive to "match" our current benefits. The West's only obligation is to match the C6 plan as submitted to us so far, so for all practical purposes, we are, in fact, voting to ACCEPT the terms of the C6 plan. All the talk about "finding" a better plan, is just that, talk. November 1st will roll around and we will be stuck in the central states C6 plan no matter what. Now, Andy did mention, that the "enhancements" to those 140,000 members being transitioned into the C6 plan DID NOT APPLY to those already in the plan. His exact words were , and I quote: "those central states locals didnt back us, so they can phuque off on the enhancements" - quote Andy M. "if they dont like it, then tough chitt" - quote Andy M. I have "heard" otherwise from members already in the central states, so I am curious what those in the central states say now, hearing this. I will not say that Andy will not try, I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I do suspect that the international is making so hard on him, that he will never realize his goals. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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