4 year progression?!?!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Dnking, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. Dnking

    Dnking FireFalcon

    Part-timers have to work for at least 5 years to have a shot at driving. Now after changing progression to 3 years in the last contract, the company wants it to be 4 years?
  2. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    No the company "wanted" it to be six years.
  3. rudy5150

    rudy5150 New Member

    Woohooo hoffa came through then bigtime! NOT! looks like next contract will be 5 yr progression..
  4. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    It's better that a two tier.
  5. 40 and out

    40 and out Active Member

    When I started driving progression was SIX MONTHS.
  6. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    Two tier is better then no raises.

    No raises is better then lower wages.

    lower wages is better then...........

    The "better then" argument doesn't make anything right. UPS is making record profits. Volume is up. Stock price is way up. And lets not forget that UPS lost over 200million in the TNT deal.
  7. bmwmc

    bmwmc Active Member

    Like they said above, be glad it wasn't 5-6 years, which they'll get next time. $36+ an hour and all that's required is an operators licence, pass a DOT psychical, and move boxes from here to there is pretty good gig. Not forgetting fully paid insurance health, up to 8 weeks paid off, and pension.

  8. Bad Gas!

    Bad Gas! Active Member

    I'd say it's a little more difficult than moving boxes A to B...Throw in harassment and mix in some bad traffic with bad time allowances..Shake it up with some late air, bad loads and can you help your neighbor driver out with 15 stops..
  9. 'Lord Brown's bidding'

    'Lord Brown's bidding' Well-Known Member

    How long do apprenticeships usually last in trade unions? Being a preloader is not akin to being an apprentice of becoming a driver. The only places where people make big bucks quickly typically are non-union, meaning whether you get the big bucks is somewhat subjective.

    I am happy the two-tier system is off the table, it seems. Even as a "driver-apprentice", the typical ptmer will make more money than they probably ever did, provided they know their working rights and grieve when the company has supes shuttling misloads instead of them (after they make their 30 days, of course). Seeing how $25/hr is par for the course in the transportation industry, I can still feel good recommending people put themselves in the pipeline, especially in my local where you may not have to wait 5-10 years to go driving.

    Along with our pay, the wage progression was probably among the best in our industry (USPS is now 6-9 years; FedEx, according to their BC sub-forum, is currently "never"). Of all the things that could have been lost, this one doesn't have to sting as bad.
  10. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Before anyone goes and crucifies the union, wait to see all the language. Without giving anything away, there maybe something that can "help" with reducing the progression.
  11. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member


    We have a winner...
  12. Leadfarmer153

    Leadfarmer153 Member

    And how long did it take you as a pter to become a driver?
  13. Leadfarmer153

    Leadfarmer153 Member

    And what are you guys talking about....better then the two tier?
  14. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    It is still a needless concession to allow ups to keep more of the money WE create for them. And it IS a back door two tier that allows them to have a growing group (a tier if you will) that does the same work FOR LESS and the rest of us getting full pay. So the new people that come in on day one ALREADY have a bad taste in their mouths about how the union sold them out. Bad example of solidarity and unionism. But typical of our poor leadership these days!!
  15. P700slave

    P700slave Member

    7 years
  16. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    You guys are being premature in assumptions. Just because it "appears" to be a concession doesn't mean it is. Wait!! Just wait!!
  17. 804brown

    804brown Well-Known Member

    Wait for what?? 4 years is 4 years. Oh wait maybe it will take you longer to get full pay but now LESS time in order to get health benefits??
  18. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Wrong. There is an avenue to not have a 4 year progression. So wait and see. Don't be so quick to make assumptions. Believe or not, there is a few people on here that get real info WAY before TDU posts their assumptions.
  19. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Misery loves company. I see a lot of people who would rather be miserable and a lot who are on the edge of misery who have jumped on a bandwagon. This is a mirror image of upsers and life in general.
  20. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest