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$8.50 'till 2013? What are they thinking?
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<blockquote data-quote="area43" data-source="post: 259900" data-attributes="member: 4862"><p>Hi KTB. Welcome to the Brown Cafe. First, I started in 1985 pt(preload) at $8.00 an hour. I know it has been a while since you posted this thread. I hope your still around to answer my post. Ok, how much do you make an hour as of now? Its been a while but when I worked pt I started at $8 and finshed I believe around $11 or $12 an hour. Full benefits and 4 wks paid time off after my first year,(2 wk vac, 1 wk sick, and 1 wk ph's and all holidays, example, July 4,labor day, etc etc) those must be factored into your hourly pay. Many pt jobs do not offer any paid time off. I worked pt for 2.7 years before I went driving. </p><p> </p><p>Ok, let me throw some numbers out to you. There are roughly 450,000 UPS employees. I have heard there are again roughly 3 ptimers to every 1 ftimer. That is about 300,000 pt ers. Most all of those have UPS insurance. It would be interesting to know the exact amount. I also would like to know how many of those pt ers are married? How many have children? I'll just take a conservative guess. Out of the 300,000 lets say there is a 100,000 spouses and children combined. That means that would be 400.000 pt workers/dependents to be covered by UPS. BTW, Pters, at least when I was a pt er I had better insurance than the ft er. Execellent coverage. Ok, 400,000 pt workers/dependents. The reason I mention this is because we all know health care has gone through the roof. Ask some of our ft retired employees that. Many are paying $400 or more a month in premiuns(only covers husband and wife/no children). In years past they used to pay nothing. KTB, how much do you pay in premiuns a month? Yes, I know there hasn't been a big hourly increase in 22 years, but how much has health care increased over the last 22 years - 200%, 300% or even 400%. KTB, Maybe that is where your hourly raise has gone to. To offset the high cost of health care. </p><p> </p><p>Another point I want to add. UPS has never expected or planned on Pters to stay past 2 or 3 years. In my center maybe a third have gotten married had children and have no intentions of ever going ft. This has been a big burden. I have no problem with employees working 10 15 20 even 25 years pt, but you must take that into consideration the added health care cost to UPS. People are raising families on the pt insurance. One spouse works pt for the ins. and the other has their ft career job/own business some where else. To offset rising health care cost, I believe UPS made the changes to a 12 month(ind)/18 month(family) wait list for coverage. If your intentions are to go full time and the center you are presently working at has a long wait I would repectfully tell you to relocate to a center that has lesser waiting peroid. Relocation, isn't always fun. It takes you out of your comfort zone, but it could pay off in the long run. Reason being. Shorter time peroid to go ft.</p><p> </p><p>In closing, I have stated this before. UPS could have very well wanted to give higher raises for part timers, but as you know we have a pension and health care crisis on our hands. UPS has to predict the future(next 5 years). Its not always easy. Its just like trying to predict the stock market.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="area43, post: 259900, member: 4862"] Hi KTB. Welcome to the Brown Cafe. First, I started in 1985 pt(preload) at $8.00 an hour. I know it has been a while since you posted this thread. I hope your still around to answer my post. Ok, how much do you make an hour as of now? Its been a while but when I worked pt I started at $8 and finshed I believe around $11 or $12 an hour. Full benefits and 4 wks paid time off after my first year,(2 wk vac, 1 wk sick, and 1 wk ph's and all holidays, example, July 4,labor day, etc etc) those must be factored into your hourly pay. Many pt jobs do not offer any paid time off. I worked pt for 2.7 years before I went driving. Ok, let me throw some numbers out to you. There are roughly 450,000 UPS employees. I have heard there are again roughly 3 ptimers to every 1 ftimer. That is about 300,000 pt ers. Most all of those have UPS insurance. It would be interesting to know the exact amount. I also would like to know how many of those pt ers are married? How many have children? I'll just take a conservative guess. Out of the 300,000 lets say there is a 100,000 spouses and children combined. That means that would be 400.000 pt workers/dependents to be covered by UPS. BTW, Pters, at least when I was a pt er I had better insurance than the ft er. Execellent coverage. Ok, 400,000 pt workers/dependents. The reason I mention this is because we all know health care has gone through the roof. Ask some of our ft retired employees that. Many are paying $400 or more a month in premiuns(only covers husband and wife/no children). In years past they used to pay nothing. KTB, how much do you pay in premiuns a month? Yes, I know there hasn't been a big hourly increase in 22 years, but how much has health care increased over the last 22 years - 200%, 300% or even 400%. KTB, Maybe that is where your hourly raise has gone to. To offset the high cost of health care. Another point I want to add. UPS has never expected or planned on Pters to stay past 2 or 3 years. In my center maybe a third have gotten married had children and have no intentions of ever going ft. This has been a big burden. I have no problem with employees working 10 15 20 even 25 years pt, but you must take that into consideration the added health care cost to UPS. People are raising families on the pt insurance. One spouse works pt for the ins. and the other has their ft career job/own business some where else. To offset rising health care cost, I believe UPS made the changes to a 12 month(ind)/18 month(family) wait list for coverage. If your intentions are to go full time and the center you are presently working at has a long wait I would repectfully tell you to relocate to a center that has lesser waiting peroid. Relocation, isn't always fun. It takes you out of your comfort zone, but it could pay off in the long run. Reason being. Shorter time peroid to go ft. In closing, I have stated this before. UPS could have very well wanted to give higher raises for part timers, but as you know we have a pension and health care crisis on our hands. UPS has to predict the future(next 5 years). Its not always easy. Its just like trying to predict the stock market. [/QUOTE]
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