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<blockquote data-quote="KTB" data-source="post: 261548" data-attributes="member: 11975"><p>I'm still around. I'd went into lurk mode, and then this is the first time I've been online since you posted this. I've had a busy schedule the past few days. Since this is a long post I'll break it into bite sized pieces in my response.</p><p></p><p>I make basically $18 an hour skilled hub rate. At some point since 1985 one week of that vacation has disappeared. I get 2 weeks with 1 option week (I take them as days instead). There's only 1 (might be 2, I always just sell them back) personal holiday now. I'll qualify for another week next year, but I doubt I'll ever see it since I'll most likely be full time by then. Not that I want to hang around in the hub just to take it. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /></p><p></p><p>Your $12 in 1988 (if I read that right) was $21.30 in todays dollars. You were making over $3 more than me on the hour after 3 years part time. I don't begrudge you that, but those are the facts. Let me point out that I'm one of the guys in my hub that a new hired kid thinks is rolling in money, and you'll see how bad the part time wages have gotten. The way the wage progression is set up those newer guys won't even be making the same amount as me in <em>actual</em> dollars after the same amount of time. Never mind inflation.</p><p> </p><p>Noted. The health care is <em>the</em> reason I got a job at UPS. I'm married now with a baby and the amount my family saves from if we were on, say, my wife's plan is incredible. I do factor that in. Part of the reason I made this thread is the fact that they are delaying benefits for new hires for a full year. Benefits are the <em>only </em>real carrot that UPS has to get people to walk in the door. If that is taken away I'm not sure why anyone would want to start at UPS.</p><p> </p><p>On the first part... yeah we have several pters like that. I've had other things going on over the years, and have frequently made more money at my second job (not so much the past few years, but it was like that at first), so I can relate if they have some real money maker and want to just hang around for the benefits. I don't think their benefits are all that much more than the typical pter that's been there several years.</p><p></p><p>On the second part, I noticed you kept saying center. Most PTers are based in the hubs. The one I work at is a beast of a complex, and as I understand it it's only a mid sized hub. I've talked to some feeder drivers who've been to the Lexington hub, and from what I've heard you could fit several of mine into it. Since hubs require more employees to run seniority gets backed up. More PT employees and the same amount of drivers means longer waits to go full time. 22.3 jobs were designed to start fixing this problem, but as I'm sure you know there aren't going to be any more of those.</p><p></p><p>I can't help but notice that most of the people who are somewhat dismissive of part time concerns come from centers. Most guys who worked in a hub will at least give a "yeah, that sucks" regardless of how they intend to vote on the contract. It's a perspective UPSers based out of centers can't understand. UPS has been using that ignorance to keep wages down for a sizable number of it's employees for years now.</p><p></p><p>If that last bit about transfering work locations was directed at me that would be the stupidest thing I could do. As I've said a couple of times, I'm very high seniority at my hub, so I'm almost done with PT UPS. Since seniority doesn't transfer I'd have to wait a few years more than I already have. As for someone else doing it... it's easier said than done. UPS has one of the absolute worst transfer policies for non-management employees. I guess you could always move and get rehired at a new location, but that's a little extreme don't you think?</p><p> </p><p>That's why you never have 5 year contracts.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/cool.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-shortname=":cool:" /> That's a whole other argument though. </p><p></p><p>I get the pension and health care crisis, really I do. However the wage issue has gotten kicked down the road as well and is at the same crisis point. I was talking to a friend of my sisters the other day. She just got a retail job at the fickin' mall making $8.90 an hour plus sales incentives. Yes, no benefits but UPS is a manual labor <strong>union</strong> job. It's supposed to pay more (and in fact always had until recently) because it's <strong>work</strong>. I guarantee you congress will raise the minimum wage above $8.50 before 2013. That makes me ill.</p><p></p><p>A $.50 increase in starting pay in a quarter of a century? And, oh yeah, before that the job actually paid <strong>more</strong> on the hour. Anyway, I've already said my piece a few times. No need to beat the dead horse some more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KTB, post: 261548, member: 11975"] I'm still around. I'd went into lurk mode, and then this is the first time I've been online since you posted this. I've had a busy schedule the past few days. Since this is a long post I'll break it into bite sized pieces in my response. I make basically $18 an hour skilled hub rate. At some point since 1985 one week of that vacation has disappeared. I get 2 weeks with 1 option week (I take them as days instead). There's only 1 (might be 2, I always just sell them back) personal holiday now. I'll qualify for another week next year, but I doubt I'll ever see it since I'll most likely be full time by then. Not that I want to hang around in the hub just to take it. :wink: Your $12 in 1988 (if I read that right) was $21.30 in todays dollars. You were making over $3 more than me on the hour after 3 years part time. I don't begrudge you that, but those are the facts. Let me point out that I'm one of the guys in my hub that a new hired kid thinks is rolling in money, and you'll see how bad the part time wages have gotten. The way the wage progression is set up those newer guys won't even be making the same amount as me in [I]actual[/I] dollars after the same amount of time. Never mind inflation. Noted. The health care is [I]the[/I] reason I got a job at UPS. I'm married now with a baby and the amount my family saves from if we were on, say, my wife's plan is incredible. I do factor that in. Part of the reason I made this thread is the fact that they are delaying benefits for new hires for a full year. Benefits are the [I]only [/I]real carrot that UPS has to get people to walk in the door. If that is taken away I'm not sure why anyone would want to start at UPS. On the first part... yeah we have several pters like that. I've had other things going on over the years, and have frequently made more money at my second job (not so much the past few years, but it was like that at first), so I can relate if they have some real money maker and want to just hang around for the benefits. I don't think their benefits are all that much more than the typical pter that's been there several years. On the second part, I noticed you kept saying center. Most PTers are based in the hubs. The one I work at is a beast of a complex, and as I understand it it's only a mid sized hub. I've talked to some feeder drivers who've been to the Lexington hub, and from what I've heard you could fit several of mine into it. Since hubs require more employees to run seniority gets backed up. More PT employees and the same amount of drivers means longer waits to go full time. 22.3 jobs were designed to start fixing this problem, but as I'm sure you know there aren't going to be any more of those. I can't help but notice that most of the people who are somewhat dismissive of part time concerns come from centers. Most guys who worked in a hub will at least give a "yeah, that sucks" regardless of how they intend to vote on the contract. It's a perspective UPSers based out of centers can't understand. UPS has been using that ignorance to keep wages down for a sizable number of it's employees for years now. If that last bit about transfering work locations was directed at me that would be the stupidest thing I could do. As I've said a couple of times, I'm very high seniority at my hub, so I'm almost done with PT UPS. Since seniority doesn't transfer I'd have to wait a few years more than I already have. As for someone else doing it... it's easier said than done. UPS has one of the absolute worst transfer policies for non-management employees. I guess you could always move and get rehired at a new location, but that's a little extreme don't you think? That's why you never have 5 year contracts.:cool: That's a whole other argument though. I get the pension and health care crisis, really I do. However the wage issue has gotten kicked down the road as well and is at the same crisis point. I was talking to a friend of my sisters the other day. She just got a retail job at the fickin' mall making $8.90 an hour plus sales incentives. Yes, no benefits but UPS is a manual labor [B]union[/B] job. It's supposed to pay more (and in fact always had until recently) because it's [B]work[/B]. I guarantee you congress will raise the minimum wage above $8.50 before 2013. That makes me ill. A $.50 increase in starting pay in a quarter of a century? And, oh yeah, before that the job actually paid [B]more[/B] on the hour. Anyway, I've already said my piece a few times. No need to beat the dead horse some more. [/QUOTE]
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