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<blockquote data-quote="804brown" data-source="post: 1157792" data-attributes="member: 29553"><p>Amazing. The local sends out a survey to the members. We all fill them out. We ask for a nice pension increase...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask for more full time jobs...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask for more summer vacations since the younger guys never get any summer weeks...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask that they fix the redcution of staff language(4.5 hrs guarantee)...OUR UNION GETS US THAT (now we are guaranteed 8 hrs)!! We tell them the grievance procedure sucks...OUR UNION FIXES THAT TOO!! Seems like a no brainer: vote yes, right?? No concessions like last 2 contracts that the old board pushed on us!! Brothers and sisters, these are very cynical times!! Cynicism and a large dose of lies and misinformation from certain members trying to play politics with our contract. Yes the ones who had NO BALLS to say who they were while pushing their cynical no vote campaign. How they lied to uninformed part timers about who is responsible for the health care changes and the low raises. How they lied about "part time drivers" when in truth the only way to get us more summer vacation time was to have willing union part timers work as Vacation cover drivers. It wasnt some ups conspiracy to screw us out of OT. It was quite simple: 4 more vacation picks = 4 VCDs. But to these cynical, gutless few, the FACTS DONT MATTER!! Once you start throwing around terms like "part time drivers" and " the pension increase isnt real"-a lie and "tim and jim voted for hoffa's contract"-another lie....FACTS DONT MATTER!!And when members are used to its leaders lying to us (think redmond and co), it takes a helluva lot to overcome it. Even a $400 /month increase in the pension wont do it!! Not 100 FULL TIME JOBS!! Not more summer vacation weeks...NOTHING.</p><p> Well, the membership obviously has spoken. Now that the confusion over No on the national but YES on the supplemental is over, I hope that some realistic commonsense returns to this local. We finally have a hard working group of guys who put in lots of hours for this supplemental. Not a bunch of old guard leaders we used to have who tried to give away 25 and out as well as coffee for new hires. Not a bunch of hoffa ass kissers who endorsed EVERYTHING hoffa handed them!! Our guys did a ballsy thing in endorsing pope. Redmond and co turned their backs on ron carey and endorsed hoffa. Redmond sold us a concessionary supplement in 2002 and 2007..ALL GIVE BACKS!! Sylvester and co gets us stuff without selling us out. Oh the sky is falling now election day can be a floating holiday. Vote no!! VCDs so we can have more time off in the heat of summer...VOTE NO!! Grievance procedure has been expedited..vote no now they can fire you faster!!</p><p>I guess I should have seen this coming. For the past couple of years the union has been saying how much money ups has made. They had created a scenario where we were gonna get ALL that we deserve in this one contract. Yes, after the last 2 concessionary contracts, THIS ONE was gonna be our REVENGE!! No dealing, just tell ups we want HUGE raises, a HUGE increase in our pensions, A BILLION new full time jobs, MORE summer vacations (and i guess let the on car sups cover the vacations), FIX that 4.5 layoff language too, etc. Reality check people: this is why they call it N E G O T I A T I O N S. You give and take. Grante last time we ONLY GAVE BACK and had nothing positive to show for it. But THIS ISNT LAST TIME FOLKS!! We won major concessions FROM ups this time!! </p><p>Congratulations rank and file of local 804. You just turned down a real good supplement but are bit too cynical to realize it. You allowed some of the old guard to stop us from moving forward and making needed changes to our contract AS WELL AS STOPPING A NICE PENSION INCREASE . You allowed some of the old guard to play politics with our future. </p><p></p><p>To wrap up, I sort of had a feeling it was going down when a few weeks ago I spoke to another driver about the contract. He said he was voting no on both. I went threw all the good things in our supplement and all the weak things in the national contract. He responds: "Yeah I know that pension boost looks great and all and now I can friend -ing get some summer vacation next year but screw them all, THEY CAN DO BETTER send them both back to the table. We got til august." In other words, this guy liked the supplement even liked tim, but he truly thought he deserved better EVEN THOUGH WHEN I PUSHED HIM ON IT HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT EXACTLY HE WANTED MORE!! </p><p>Again, i think the board negotiated a strong contract. Ron Carey be proud. But after they stop pulling their hair ou,t they will have to find a way to satisfy a large group of our local who feels exactly like this guy i spoke to who is MAD AS HELL BUT HE DOESNT KNOW WHY!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="804brown, post: 1157792, member: 29553"] Amazing. The local sends out a survey to the members. We all fill them out. We ask for a nice pension increase...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask for more full time jobs...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask for more summer vacations since the younger guys never get any summer weeks...OUR UNION GETS US THAT!! We ask that they fix the redcution of staff language(4.5 hrs guarantee)...OUR UNION GETS US THAT (now we are guaranteed 8 hrs)!! We tell them the grievance procedure sucks...OUR UNION FIXES THAT TOO!! Seems like a no brainer: vote yes, right?? No concessions like last 2 contracts that the old board pushed on us!! Brothers and sisters, these are very cynical times!! Cynicism and a large dose of lies and misinformation from certain members trying to play politics with our contract. Yes the ones who had NO BALLS to say who they were while pushing their cynical no vote campaign. How they lied to uninformed part timers about who is responsible for the health care changes and the low raises. How they lied about "part time drivers" when in truth the only way to get us more summer vacation time was to have willing union part timers work as Vacation cover drivers. It wasnt some ups conspiracy to screw us out of OT. It was quite simple: 4 more vacation picks = 4 VCDs. But to these cynical, gutless few, the FACTS DONT MATTER!! Once you start throwing around terms like "part time drivers" and " the pension increase isnt real"-a lie and "tim and jim voted for hoffa's contract"-another lie....FACTS DONT MATTER!!And when members are used to its leaders lying to us (think redmond and co), it takes a helluva lot to overcome it. Even a $400 /month increase in the pension wont do it!! Not 100 FULL TIME JOBS!! Not more summer vacation weeks...NOTHING. Well, the membership obviously has spoken. Now that the confusion over No on the national but YES on the supplemental is over, I hope that some realistic commonsense returns to this local. We finally have a hard working group of guys who put in lots of hours for this supplemental. Not a bunch of old guard leaders we used to have who tried to give away 25 and out as well as coffee for new hires. Not a bunch of hoffa ass kissers who endorsed EVERYTHING hoffa handed them!! Our guys did a ballsy thing in endorsing pope. Redmond and co turned their backs on ron carey and endorsed hoffa. Redmond sold us a concessionary supplement in 2002 and 2007..ALL GIVE BACKS!! Sylvester and co gets us stuff without selling us out. Oh the sky is falling now election day can be a floating holiday. Vote no!! VCDs so we can have more time off in the heat of summer...VOTE NO!! Grievance procedure has been expedited..vote no now they can fire you faster!! I guess I should have seen this coming. For the past couple of years the union has been saying how much money ups has made. They had created a scenario where we were gonna get ALL that we deserve in this one contract. Yes, after the last 2 concessionary contracts, THIS ONE was gonna be our REVENGE!! No dealing, just tell ups we want HUGE raises, a HUGE increase in our pensions, A BILLION new full time jobs, MORE summer vacations (and i guess let the on car sups cover the vacations), FIX that 4.5 layoff language too, etc. Reality check people: this is why they call it N E G O T I A T I O N S. You give and take. Grante last time we ONLY GAVE BACK and had nothing positive to show for it. But THIS ISNT LAST TIME FOLKS!! We won major concessions FROM ups this time!! Congratulations rank and file of local 804. You just turned down a real good supplement but are bit too cynical to realize it. You allowed some of the old guard to stop us from moving forward and making needed changes to our contract AS WELL AS STOPPING A NICE PENSION INCREASE . You allowed some of the old guard to play politics with our future. To wrap up, I sort of had a feeling it was going down when a few weeks ago I spoke to another driver about the contract. He said he was voting no on both. I went threw all the good things in our supplement and all the weak things in the national contract. He responds: "Yeah I know that pension boost looks great and all and now I can friend -ing get some summer vacation next year but screw them all, THEY CAN DO BETTER send them both back to the table. We got til august." In other words, this guy liked the supplement even liked tim, but he truly thought he deserved better EVEN THOUGH WHEN I PUSHED HIM ON IT HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT EXACTLY HE WANTED MORE!! Again, i think the board negotiated a strong contract. Ron Carey be proud. But after they stop pulling their hair ou,t they will have to find a way to satisfy a large group of our local who feels exactly like this guy i spoke to who is MAD AS HELL BUT HE DOESNT KNOW WHY!! [/QUOTE]
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