9.5 language got worst for cover drivers!!!!!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by SouthernComfort, May 7, 2013.

  1. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    To be able to Opt In on the 9.5 list

    Employees within the full-time driver classification shall be eligible for the protection of this Section provided: (1) the employee covers a route for a full week; (2) the employee bids or is assigned to cover a route for a full week but is prevented from completing that bid or assignment due to reassignment by the Employer; or (3) an employee with four (4) years of seniority as a full-time package driver.

    Ive been cover driving for 8 years, this pretty much says that ONLY employees with 4 years of full-time pkg seniority will be able to opt onto the 9.5 list....So if I go full time tomorrow, Ill still have 4 years of 10hour days in pkg? Thats outrageous!!!! This is at the bottom of page 30 in the National Master TA. Am I reading this wrong?
     
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    You can still request your 2 8 hour days a month.
     
  3. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Yes, you are reading it wrong. If any of the criteria is met you get the 9.5 protection. You don't need to fulfill all three points. Actually the four year deal seals the protection without 1 or 2 being met.

    This is why you should attend a contract explanation meeting. This is definitely improved language.
     
  4. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    No you cant, only for full time pkg car drivers. We had no 8hr request rights on the last contract either.
     
  5. dogs.bite.me

    dogs.bite.me Member

    Ours was 3 8hr days a month. Did it get decreased to two?
     
  6. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    Inthegame, I do not have 4 years of full time pkg seniority... just 8 years of part time pkg seniority...#1 and #2 are out of the question... In 8 years Ive maybe been on the same route a whole week straight 4 or 5 times, this includes peak season. I have ZERO years as a full time package driver. If someone was full time 22.3 for a decade, then went to package he would have 0 years as a full time package driver also...
     
  7. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    ​Varies by conference.
     
  8. derf3733

    derf3733 Member

    Don't forget about that new 4 year progression too...
     
  9. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Bingo!!
    Keep people on track brother. Good job.
     
  10. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    I have only been on the same route all week a few times in the last 5 years, they dont even keep "us" cover drivers on the same route during peak. All it takes if for ONE call in, or ONE route to get cut to throw the whole bracket in a whirlwind. Even if I requested to be on Driver G's route all next week, and I had the most seniority.... Driver G would have to be Opted IN on the 9.5 list for it to apply for me.
     
  11. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    The company will still pay it all day long. Stiffer penalties need to be in place. Most cover drivers/ TCD's are scared to file and the company knows it.
     
  12. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    2 8.5 hour days is what you meant to say. Company still has no reason to honor these either, so that probably wont cheer him up. I know you meant well though.
     
  13. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    The last time I put in for an 8hr request it was "approved"... I showed up to a 10hr dispatch and was not sent any relief, grievance filed and lost at local panel, no 8hr requests for cover drivers...at all... ever. It was for my Mom's 50th birthday dinner on a Tuesday night... I missed the dinner, "if UPS cared about your family they would have assigned you on with your brown uniform"
     
  14. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    Agreed, they will pay all day long. But stiffer penalties are in place and the language has improved, not regressed as SC states. The insane hoops are eliminated, the techniques commonly used to wiggle out of the 9.5 obligation are addressed in item (2). The additional language gives the union a first time right to address insufficient staffing. That's a plus.
    The "too scared to file guys" are a lost cause not worth the time. People died for labor agreements and now we have "members" that want the union to change their diapers.
     
  15. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member


    If a driver is paid a penalty under this subsection more than three (3) times in a single five (5) month opt-in period, then the District Labor Manager and Business Agent will meet with the Center Manager, the steward and the driver to ensure future compliance under this subsection. If any further penalty is paid on this employee during the five (5) month period, a meeting shall be scheduled with the above parties and the Co-Chairs of the applicable Supplemental panel to determine what actions are necessary to ensure compliance.

    Reads to me like they can violate your 9.5 rights 3 times in 5 months... then all sit down and have a cup of coffee and talk about it. Its like saying "You better not... or else" Tell that to your 15 year old son, without an actual penalty/punishment they will test these waters every chance they get. I for one..... love a good cup of coffee.
     
  16. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    More like a few dozens beers at a golf game. But you need to keep reading. If what you describe happens, the new language gives the union a fighting chance AWAY from panels and puts it in an arbitrators lap. Awards, including progression advancement and back pay, can then go to prospective employees not offered driving opportunities. Never before has the union had an avenue to attack understaffing. This is huge.
     
  17. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    It would go to arbitration... how cute! Someone who has no idea what our job requirements are that dont do a manual labor job and work in the A/C will decide what the penalty is. The penalty will be a check for 3x your hourly wage for every time your 9.5 rights are violated.... The arbitrator will think this is a fair deal, but that arbitrator eats dinner at 6:30 every night with their family. Its not about the $$$$$ to me, its the time spent away from my family and the wear and tear on my body. You cant say "its always been long hours, you knew what the job was", when I started driving NO ONE was to be out PAST 9.5... if your 9.5 was at 7:20 and you pulled into the building at 7:18 they would have you clock out and a supervisor would park your truck!!
     
  18. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    OR, you need 4 years seniority. Your reading the language wrong.
     
  19. SouthernComfort

    SouthernComfort New Member

    4 years full time package seniority...Stink, I am a PART TIME cover driver, we have those in the Southern Region. Even though I have been driving for 8 years, its 8 years part time. The 18-20 days a year I dont drive(low volume/no vacations) I return to my part time building job, I get no 8 hour guarantee on those days.
     
  20. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    We have those. In our supplement your time driving will come off your progression. As for 9.5, you have to meet the language qualification.