A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people --

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

For that matter, if it weren't for us, you guys would probably be speaking German and your flag would have a swastika instead of a maple leaf. While it is true that thousands of brave Canadians fought and died alongside their Amercian and British allies during WWII, your country lacked the resources or manpower to be a deciding factor in that war.
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That's why he doesn't like America, he wishes that Germany won, he likes the swastika better than the maple leaf.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

You can pretty much well defend yourself, or run away from a knife.
He might kill one or 2.... but , gives the rest a chance to either run or tackle him.
I'll take my chances with the machete.

As a reasonably healthy middle-aged man, you have the ability to make those choices.

A handicapped or elderly person doesnt have that ability. They can't fight or run from a psycho with a machete.

What about the 115 lb woman who is confronted by a 200 lb man with a machete? Is she supposed to tackle him too?

Self defense is a fundamental human right, no different from the freedom of speech or freedom of religion. You cant speak or pray freely if you are dead. An armed woman or senior citizen or handicapped person is truly free because they no longer have to fear being victimized by those who are younger or stronger.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

We are still part of the British Monachy, same as Australia, Bahamas, and some 50 other countries.
If my political knowlege is correct. Great Britain also enjoys a democracy.
The US fought the English, because you wanted immediate independency, whereas Canada didn't.
Because it was a win/win situation for us to be connected to them, and we still are in many ways.
As for us being located next to Russia or China, how do you come up with that ?
We are part of the new world (North America), that came together just like the USA.
With Boat loads of European, (mostly British in Canada), new commers.
The only big differernce is, you cut ties with Britain, (forced even a war), and we didn't.
Looking back, I wouldn't be proud of that war as an American, because many fought for simply nothing, as Canada is a good example on how it developed without having to fight the Brits.

We are the ones that fought with the British in WW2.
We entered the war with Britain, the USA did 3 years later, in 1942, and only particpated for 3 years, not the whole 6 years the Brits and Canadains did.
To this day, the Dutch Monachy sends us 100.000 tulips every year on liberation day, because Canada was solely responsible for liberating Holland.
They are displayed in Ottawa each May.
Tell the dutch, that Canada didn't make an impact. Or even the Brits for that matter. They will call you an idiot !

We also brought food and supplies to GB and the rest of Europe, while the US was still laying back, and many of our ships got hit by german U-boots, some just off the coast of Newfoundland, that are now ocean historic sites.

You really need to learn better history.

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

We are still part of the British Monachy, same as Australia, Bahamas, and some 50 other countries.
If my political knowlege is correct. Great Britain also enjoys a democracy.
The US fought the English, because you wanted immediate independency, whereas Canada didn't.
Because it was a win/win situation for us to be connected to them, and we still are in many ways.
As for us being located next to Russia or China, how do you come up with that ?
We are part of the new world (North America), that came together just like the USA.
With Boat loads of European, (mostly British in Canada), new commers.
The only big differernce is, you cut ties with Britain, (forced even a war), and we didn't.
Looking back, I wouldn't be proud of that war as an American, because many fought for simply nothing, as Canada is a good example on how it developed without having to fight the Brits.

We are the ones that fought with the British in WW2.
We entered the war with Britain, the USA did 3 years later, in 1942, and only particpated for 3 years, not the whole 6 years the Brits and Canadains did.
To this day, the Dutch Monachy sends us 100.000 tulips every year on liberation day, because Canada was solely responsible for liberating Holland.
They are displayed in Ottawa each May.
Tell the dutch, that Canada didn't make an impact. Or even the Brits for that matter. They will call you an idiot !

We also brought food and supplies to GB and the rest of Europe, while the US was still laying back, and many of our ships got hit by german U-boots, some just off the coast of Newfoundland, that are now ocean historic sites.

You really need to learn better history.

what a crock of bs! I give up on u klein.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

To this day, the Dutch Monachy sends us 100.000 tulips every year on liberation day, because Canada was solely responsible for liberating Holland.
They are displayed in Ottawa each May.
Tell the dutch, that Canada didn't make an impact. Or even the Brits for that matter. They will call you an idiot !
......You really need to learn better history.

Holland was only able to be liberated because of the success of the Allied invasion at Normandy on June 6th 1944. Had this invasion failed, Camnadian troops would not have been on the European continent to begin with.

The overwhelming majority of ships, planes, troops and tanks that made this invasion possible were American.

The sustained bombing campaign that crippled Germany's ability to fight a war on two fronts was waged by American B-17's and B-24's.

The U-boats that very nearly forced Great Britain into starvation and surrender in 1942 were defeated by American aircraft and destroyers.

The Battle of the Bulge, which was Germany's last-ditch attempt to divide the Allied armies and deny them the use of the deep-water port of Brussels, was fought and won by American troops. Had this battle been lost, the Canadians would not have been in any position to assist in the eventual liberation of the Netherlands.

I am not in any way discounting the contributions made by Canada during WWII. But it is downright ignorant to claim that Canada alone was solely responsible for the liberation of Holland. The events that made that liberation possible did not occur in a vacuum.


You are the one who really needs to learn better history.

 

[moreluck]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

I got it ! Klein is your high school history teacher and he's just trying to see if YOU really know your history.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Allied land forces that saw combat in Normandy on 6 June came from Canada, the Free French Forces, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
So, yes, Canada was a big part of Normandy, some french, the UK, and finally some help from the US.

Remember, you joined the war later, not in 1939 with us.

Ofcourse, the US played a big role, too.
Just don't always take all the credit for something you weren't even there to begin with.
While all the others weakened Germany further and further down.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Allied land forces that saw combat in Normandy on 6 June came from Canada, the Free French Forces, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
So, yes, Canada was a big part of Normandy, some french, the UK, and finally some help from the US.

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Of the Allied troops involved in the Normandy landings, 73,000 of them were Americans, 61,715 were British, and 21,400 were Canadian.
Totoal casualties; 6603 American, 2700 British, 946 Canadian.

So for you to state that the USA "finally offered some help" in the invasion is both ignorant and ridiculous.

I would also point out that Britain was not only at war with Germany, she was also at war with Japan. And by 1942, Britain was all but defeated in the Pacific and on the verge of losing India and Australia. The war against Japan was waged almost entirely by American troops until 1945, which allowed the UK to concentrate its remaining forces in the European theater.

Another country you need to thank is Russia. The only reason the Allied invasion at Normandy succeeded is because the majority of German military strength was concentrated on the Eastern front. Had the Germans been able to knock Russia out of the war in 1941, they would have been able to devote enough resources in France to make the Allied invasion impossible.

 

[Babagounj]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

I enjoy that Christmas Tree Nova Scotia has been sending to Boston every year as a thank you for all the help given to them after the Haifax Explosion and blizzard of 1917.

 

[soberups]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Remember, you joined the war later, not in 1939 with us.

Ofcourse, the US played a big role, too.
Just don't always take all the credit for something you weren't even there to begin with.
While all the others weakened Germany further and further down.

The war would never have started to begin with if the Brits and French would have had the balls to stand up to Hitler in 1936 when Germany continued to violate the treaties it had entered into. At that point in time, Britain and France could have easily defeated Germany.

Instead, they chose a policy of appeasement, which allowed Hitler to continue expanding German territory and military strength.

The war was a European problem, not an American one. The only reason we had to get involved in the first place was due to French and British military incompetence.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

We are totally off topic here.
But, Yes Russia, Hitlers biggest mistake. Sent his army out there in late summer without any winter clothing at all.
Hundreds or thousands of german soldiers simply froze to death, too.

Thats what brought the USA into WWII, was the Pearl Habour attack, and the following Hitlers war declaration against America.
(Hitler had a treaty with Japan).

And remember in 1945, Canada was still a British Colony. We flew the Union Jack, and "God save the Queen" was Canada's national anthym.
Not, until the 50's and 60's did Canada get it's own Maple Leaf Flag, and it's "oh Canada" anthym.

And looking at your numbers above, Brits and Canucks still had more soldiers combined then the Americans.
However, both "english countries" only had a casualty rate of 4.4% each.
Where as, the Americans more then double at 9.0%.

Don't ask me why, but that is interessting.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

I enjoy that Christmas Tree Nova Scotia has been sending to Boston every year as a thank you for all the help given to them after the Haifax Explosion and blizzard of 1917.

We have always helped eachother out, in many, many things.
And it will always stay that way !

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

However, both "english countries" only had a casualty rate of 4.4% each.
Where as, the Americans more then double at 9.0%.

Don't ask me why, but that is interessting.

I remember when we played dodgeball in elementary and junior high school that the guys that lingered in the back tended not to have much interaction with the potentially deadly ball as the guys that were in the front actually playing the game.

 

[pickup]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

soberups, klein might need a sponsor, interested?

 

[Johney]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Mine is to ban them, get them off the streets, off the hands of everyone, except police, and other security officials.
Everybody could live much safer.

Sure so when they ban guns completely then every criminal that has a gun will turn theirs in right?

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Sure so when they ban guns completely then every criminal that has a gun will turn theirs in right?

Well, doesn't the police catch criminals now and then, and not only lock them up, but take their weapons away ?
In time, you could be as safe and almost gunfree like Canada or Europe.

This guy that shot 8 ex co-workers wasn't a criminal, so think about that.
I know you feel safer with "guns for all", but the rest of the western world feels safer with "guns for nobody".

 

[moreluck]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

He was a criminal. He was caught stealing and that's why he was being called in to be allowed to quit.

 

[tonyexpress]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Try taking a gun away from the Swiss!!

"The Key To Freedom, Is The Ability To Defend Yourself"

[video=youtube;7avX5TvRc6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avX5TvRc6E"[/video]

 

[Johney]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

In time, you could be as safe and almost gunfree like Canada or Europe.

Sure, but how many honest people will be robbed,raped and killed until we are gun free? You do have a great point and sure in reality it would be nice to know that only police had guns, But that's never gonna happen.

 

[klein]

Re: A shooting that erupted after an employee's disciplinary hearing left nine people

Oh Tony,
your trying to compare trained Swiss Army personal, that are reservist for a life time, to the average Joe American ?
If you don't have gun training, you probably can't just go to a store in Switzerland and buy a rifle.


That video doesn't tell it all.
There are so many restrictions, much more then in the US.

Here are the restrictions from wiki :


The rules laid out above were changed on 1 December 2008 as Switzerland joined the Schengen treaty; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new Waffengesetz (weapons law), these points will change:

• Unlawful possession of guns will be punished.

• Gun trade among individuals will require a valid weapon acquisition permit: this is, from a Swiss point of view, a radical restriction that is assumed will undercut private gun trade dramatically.

• Every gun must be marked with a registered serial number.

• Airsoft guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law.

• Only one weapon may be purchased per weapon acquisition permit: Presumably, this will dry out the market for relatively cheap used guns, including popular collector's items such as Swiss army revolvers from the late 19th/early 20th century.

• Weapons acquired from an individual in the last ten years (which did not require a weapon acquisition permit) have to be registered. As a central weapons register was politically unfeasible, the authorities hope to get an overview of the market through this registration requirement.

• While the above mentioned "free arms" remain exempt from the weapon acquisition permit, the vendor is required to notify the local arms bureau of the sale.

Buying ammunition


Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Every soldier equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed box, to be opened only upon alert. The ammunition was to load into the rifle magazine for use by the militiaman should any needs arise while he was en route to join his unit. Any other use than this, or even unsealing was strictly forbidden. This practice was stopped in 2007 due to safety concerns.

The government subsidizes the production of military ammunition and then sells the ammunition at cost. Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range. Registration consists of entering your name in a log at the time of sale. Ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range.