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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 554650" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>But now for some real fun and daring to peer down the rabbit hole!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right from More's link:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Central planning, no doubt about it but look back at the question itself at the link's title:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Am I required? The proper response to such question if "mandatory" would be, "Yes, Federal Law Title Blah, Blah Section Blah, Blah or better yet, Code of Federal Regulations Blah Section Blah require all citizens to answer all questions submitted to them on the census form. Case in point is found <a href="http://www.census.gov/survey_participants/business_surveys/is_this_a_legitimate_business_survey_conducted_by_the_census_bureau.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">here</span></a> right on the Census bureau's website provided to us by the ever truth searching Moreluck! Just funnying with you More but nice find <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p></p><p>Notice the title in the form again of a question:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now read the answer for the applicable legal application.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK so they quote Title 18 <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00000912----000-.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Section 912</span> </a>which is the US Criminal Code but this is a general application to anyone whe would pretend to be an FBI agent or whatever but why did they cite Title 18 when it's <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Title 13</span> </a>that covers the Census? When it comes to requiring any of us to answer questions to these BS surveys, why did they not just state the following as beng the requirement?</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Title 13, Chapter 7, Subchapter 2, Sec. 221</span></a> states:</p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, your required, pay the $100 dollar fine or submit. OOOpps! But wait a minute. Notice the part I underlined above. The application only applies to census and surveys provided for by the listed subchapters of <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Chapter 5</span></a>. What are they?</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_I.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Subchapter 1</span></a></p><p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_II.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Subchapter 2</span></a></p><p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_IV.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Subchapter 4</span></a></p><p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_V.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Subchapter 5</span></a></p><p></p><p>Chapter 5 of Title 13 is titled Census and look through those subchapters and see what law is contained that makes you liable to the provisions of Section 221 quoted above. When you do read through those Subchapters, you'll know exactly why they didn't use Sec. 221 as a requirement because that section doesn't require you either. Now the question is, where is the requirement?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /></p><p></p><p>If you really feel bold and want to yank their chain, ask them under Title 13, Chapter 1, Subchapter 1, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000004----000-.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Section 4</span></a> for their delegation of authority, the Federal Register Doc. # and the date posted in the Federal Register. It will look something like an example from a recent State Department Order issued by Sec. Clinton. <a href="http://www.ita.doc.gov/ooms/41-1.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Here's</span></a> a Delegation Order from the Sec. of Commerce but compare it to the Sec. of State order. Where is the Federal Register information? If it ain't in the <a href="http://www.llsdc.org/fed-reg-cfr/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Federal Register</span> </a>as the ole saying goes, "Houston, we have a problem!" Also ask the same question via a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request as this also makes it a matter of offical record that you can use in the future should you need to.</p><p></p><p>Have fun kiddies if and when you decide you are no longer a</p><p><img src="http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KviMK6bbXU5cRM:http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8620/386827-duracellaa_large.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Tie asked: <span style="color: #0000ff">Question though doesn't a good showing on the census help your community in a variety of ways politically and financially?</span></p><p></p><p>Good question and/or observation on your part.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 554650, member: 2189"] But now for some real fun and daring to peer down the rabbit hole! Right from More's link: Central planning, no doubt about it but look back at the question itself at the link's title: Am I required? The proper response to such question if "mandatory" would be, "Yes, Federal Law Title Blah, Blah Section Blah, Blah or better yet, Code of Federal Regulations Blah Section Blah require all citizens to answer all questions submitted to them on the census form. Case in point is found [URL='http://www.census.gov/survey_participants/business_surveys/is_this_a_legitimate_business_survey_conducted_by_the_census_bureau.html'][COLOR=red]here[/COLOR][/URL] right on the Census bureau's website provided to us by the ever truth searching Moreluck! Just funnying with you More but nice find :wink2: Notice the title in the form again of a question: Now read the answer for the applicable legal application. OK so they quote Title 18 [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/718/usc_sec_18_00000912----000-.html'][COLOR=red]Section 912[/COLOR] [/URL]which is the US Criminal Code but this is a general application to anyone whe would pretend to be an FBI agent or whatever but why did they cite Title 18 when it's [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13.html'][COLOR=red]Title 13[/COLOR] [/URL]that covers the Census? When it comes to requiring any of us to answer questions to these BS surveys, why did they not just state the following as beng the requirement? [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html'][COLOR=red]Title 13, Chapter 7, Subchapter 2, Sec. 221[/COLOR][/URL] states: OK, your required, pay the $100 dollar fine or submit. OOOpps! But wait a minute. Notice the part I underlined above. The application only applies to census and surveys provided for by the listed subchapters of [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5.html'][COLOR=red]Chapter 5[/COLOR][/URL]. What are they? [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_I.html'][COLOR=red]Subchapter 1[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_II.html'][COLOR=red]Subchapter 2[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_IV.html'][COLOR=red]Subchapter 4[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sup_01_13_10_5_20_V.html'][COLOR=red]Subchapter 5[/COLOR][/URL] Chapter 5 of Title 13 is titled Census and look through those subchapters and see what law is contained that makes you liable to the provisions of Section 221 quoted above. When you do read through those Subchapters, you'll know exactly why they didn't use Sec. 221 as a requirement because that section doesn't require you either. Now the question is, where is the requirement? :surprised: If you really feel bold and want to yank their chain, ask them under Title 13, Chapter 1, Subchapter 1, [URL='http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000004----000-.html'][COLOR=red]Section 4[/COLOR][/URL] for their delegation of authority, the Federal Register Doc. # and the date posted in the Federal Register. It will look something like an example from a recent State Department Order issued by Sec. Clinton. [URL='http://www.ita.doc.gov/ooms/41-1.htm'][COLOR=red]Here's[/COLOR][/URL] a Delegation Order from the Sec. of Commerce but compare it to the Sec. of State order. Where is the Federal Register information? If it ain't in the [URL='http://www.llsdc.org/fed-reg-cfr/'][COLOR=red]Federal Register[/COLOR] [/URL]as the ole saying goes, "Houston, we have a problem!" Also ask the same question via a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request as this also makes it a matter of offical record that you can use in the future should you need to. Have fun kiddies if and when you decide you are no longer a [IMG]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KviMK6bbXU5cRM:http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8620/386827-duracellaa_large.jpg[/IMG] Tie asked: [COLOR=#0000ff]Question though doesn't a good showing on the census help your community in a variety of ways politically and financially?[/COLOR] Good question and/or observation on your part. [/QUOTE]
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