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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 604953" data-attributes="member: 8259"><p>It is interesting that you point out that in less than a year under our new leadership they are turning a very successful campaign into a possible failure. Does that make you happy? Does that concern you at all?</p><p> </p><p>In Afghanistan we waged a successful war. Our goal was to overthrow the taliban and keep US causalities low. Check and Check. Not only did we crush the taliban we did it in a matter of a couple of months. I would have to check but I believe that we had one cia agent killed and one member of the military killed during these operations which only took a couple months to achieve.</p><p> </p><p>Neutralize Bin Laden and the Al Queada training grounds in Afghanistan. You guessed it we did both of those as well. Of course some fled to Pakistan and this could have possibly been avoided but as a nation we would have had to have been willing to accept higher causalities which is something as a nation we never want to do. </p><p> </p><p>We have a new commander in chief now. The goal I think is to duplicate the Iraq strategy of the last administration. This will take more troops. US causalities will go up at least in the near term. If they are planning on implementing the old Iraq strategy in OEF, which I would not believe that is the plan just because you see it on the news, it will be a very different strategy that what was in place. I also think part of the new strategy is to use Afghanistan as a sort of social experiment as I think you will see a shift in the mid term to more of a we need to educate them, build roads, eliminate the local farming, etc. even though we are already doing some of this under the effort to minimize the influence of some of the hard liners. This will be a shift away from purely battlefield gains to include more political gains. This was a part of his campaign. I think under this administration you will see a push for a stronger central government in Afghanistan as well.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>The bottom line is if the commanders feel they need more troops for continued success I feel we should supply them. They know what this administration is expecting of them not us. They also know what resources it would take to give a better chance of success at whatever the new strategy is or turns out to be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 604953, member: 8259"] It is interesting that you point out that in less than a year under our new leadership they are turning a very successful campaign into a possible failure. Does that make you happy? Does that concern you at all? In Afghanistan we waged a successful war. Our goal was to overthrow the taliban and keep US causalities low. Check and Check. Not only did we crush the taliban we did it in a matter of a couple of months. I would have to check but I believe that we had one cia agent killed and one member of the military killed during these operations which only took a couple months to achieve. Neutralize Bin Laden and the Al Queada training grounds in Afghanistan. You guessed it we did both of those as well. Of course some fled to Pakistan and this could have possibly been avoided but as a nation we would have had to have been willing to accept higher causalities which is something as a nation we never want to do. We have a new commander in chief now. The goal I think is to duplicate the Iraq strategy of the last administration. This will take more troops. US causalities will go up at least in the near term. If they are planning on implementing the old Iraq strategy in OEF, which I would not believe that is the plan just because you see it on the news, it will be a very different strategy that what was in place. I also think part of the new strategy is to use Afghanistan as a sort of social experiment as I think you will see a shift in the mid term to more of a we need to educate them, build roads, eliminate the local farming, etc. even though we are already doing some of this under the effort to minimize the influence of some of the hard liners. This will be a shift away from purely battlefield gains to include more political gains. This was a part of his campaign. I think under this administration you will see a push for a stronger central government in Afghanistan as well. The bottom line is if the commanders feel they need more troops for continued success I feel we should supply them. They know what this administration is expecting of them not us. They also know what resources it would take to give a better chance of success at whatever the new strategy is or turns out to be. [/QUOTE]
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