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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 606560" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>UPS1999,</p><p> </p><p>BLAH BLAH BLAH...right wing rhetoric without saying anything.</p><p> </p><p>This is the problem with you right wingers. You have nothing but rediculous criticisms and offer nothing in the alternative.</p><p> </p><p>Terrific, you offered this gem "This is what I, believe is the problem with President Obama. He needs to rid himself of those are currently giving him very bad advice on domestic and foreign affairs"</p><p> </p><p>Really? He has three of the top advisors that were guiding President maroon for the last few years.. What now? Were they giving Bush bad advice?</p><p> </p><p>Before you post something really rediculous 1999, why not try and really educate yourself on these wars without simply repeating some lame claim from FAUX news.</p><p> </p><p>Since you have pointed out that you believe he is getting bad advice on both domestic and foreign affairs, why not show us what you mean?</p><p> </p><p>Where in Afghanistan is he getting bad advice and from WHO? Name them and the advice they gave.</p><p> </p><p>The real problem with wars that start without a plan for ending them 1999, is that they always end up a political war. The democrats would gladly like to end this occupation (afghanistan) and save a trillion dollars, on the other hand, the republicans would rather spend a trillion dollars and put on rallys and scare americans with "terrorists" and "we could be attacked if we leave"....</p><p> </p><p>This type of rhetoric and scare tactic works on the weak. Bush led us into Afghainstan with the idea of getting Osama Bin Laden. <strong><span style="font-size: 18px">FAIL.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>8 years later, we are no closer to Osama Bin Laden than we are getting an answer from AV8 on Afghanistan.</p><p> </p><p>You call Obama a coward, who would rather talk then fight, or maybe you dont understand he realizes that useless soldiers deaths are not worth the effort?</p><p> </p><p>This is not a country of democracy, with a goverment and uniformed soldiers. Its a tribal country, with gangs, villages and tribal leaders who's only income is that of the drug trade.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Saturday, August 29, 2009</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>History repeats itself: Afghanistan President Karzai portraying himself as the only candidate willing to stand up to the dictates of U.S. </strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>From </strong><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/asia/29prexy.html?_r=1&th&emc=th" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #473624"><strong>The New York Times</strong></span></u></a><strong>:</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>A little over 24 hours after the polls closed, President Obama stepped out on the White House South Lawn last week to pronounce the Afghanistan presidential elections something of a success. </strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>But now, as reports mount of widespread fraud in the balloting, including allegations that supporters of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, illegally stuffed ballot boxes in the south and ripped up ballots cast for his opponents, Mr. Obama’s early praise may soon come back to haunt him.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>[Obama administration] officials have made no secret of their growing disenchantment with Mr. Karzai, who is viewed by the West as having so compromised himself to try to get elected — including striking deals with accused drug dealers and warlords for political gain — that he will be a hindrance to international efforts to get the country on track after the election. </strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>As long as Karzai is working with the drug dealers in his country in order to stay in power, it doesnt matter what we do. You must first understand the complexities of the drug trade in Afghanistan to understand why we cant win this war.</p><p> </p><p>In order to win a war, you must stop the ability to wage war. This costs money. As long as millions of dollars are exchanging hands daily in tribal villages, countries will continue to arm them.</p><p> </p><p>Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia sell arms to the taliban. When you can stop this, then youll have your victory. Until then, you will just get your teenage neighbor killed with your rhetoric.</p><p> </p><p>Next time, say something of real value that lends itself to an intelligent debate. Save the right wing whacko "slogans" for faux news.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 606560, member: 17969"] UPS1999, BLAH BLAH BLAH...right wing rhetoric without saying anything. This is the problem with you right wingers. You have nothing but rediculous criticisms and offer nothing in the alternative. Terrific, you offered this gem "This is what I, believe is the problem with President Obama. He needs to rid himself of those are currently giving him very bad advice on domestic and foreign affairs" Really? He has three of the top advisors that were guiding President maroon for the last few years.. What now? Were they giving Bush bad advice? Before you post something really rediculous 1999, why not try and really educate yourself on these wars without simply repeating some lame claim from FAUX news. Since you have pointed out that you believe he is getting bad advice on both domestic and foreign affairs, why not show us what you mean? Where in Afghanistan is he getting bad advice and from WHO? Name them and the advice they gave. The real problem with wars that start without a plan for ending them 1999, is that they always end up a political war. The democrats would gladly like to end this occupation (afghanistan) and save a trillion dollars, on the other hand, the republicans would rather spend a trillion dollars and put on rallys and scare americans with "terrorists" and "we could be attacked if we leave".... This type of rhetoric and scare tactic works on the weak. Bush led us into Afghainstan with the idea of getting Osama Bin Laden. [B][SIZE=5]FAIL.[/SIZE][/B] 8 years later, we are no closer to Osama Bin Laden than we are getting an answer from AV8 on Afghanistan. You call Obama a coward, who would rather talk then fight, or maybe you dont understand he realizes that useless soldiers deaths are not worth the effort? This is not a country of democracy, with a goverment and uniformed soldiers. Its a tribal country, with gangs, villages and tribal leaders who's only income is that of the drug trade. [B]Saturday, August 29, 2009[/B] [B]History repeats itself: Afghanistan President Karzai portraying himself as the only candidate willing to stand up to the dictates of U.S. [/B] [B]From [/B][URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/asia/29prexy.html?_r=1&th&emc=th"][U][COLOR=#473624][B]The New York Times[/B][/COLOR][/U][/URL][B]:[/B] [B]A little over 24 hours after the polls closed, President Obama stepped out on the White House South Lawn last week to pronounce the Afghanistan presidential elections something of a success. [/B] [B]But now, as reports mount of widespread fraud in the balloting, including allegations that supporters of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, illegally stuffed ballot boxes in the south and ripped up ballots cast for his opponents, Mr. Obama’s early praise may soon come back to haunt him.[/B] [B][Obama administration] officials have made no secret of their growing disenchantment with Mr. Karzai, who is viewed by the West as having so compromised himself to try to get elected — including striking deals with accused drug dealers and warlords for political gain — that he will be a hindrance to international efforts to get the country on track after the election. [/B] As long as Karzai is working with the drug dealers in his country in order to stay in power, it doesnt matter what we do. You must first understand the complexities of the drug trade in Afghanistan to understand why we cant win this war. In order to win a war, you must stop the ability to wage war. This costs money. As long as millions of dollars are exchanging hands daily in tribal villages, countries will continue to arm them. Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia sell arms to the taliban. When you can stop this, then youll have your victory. Until then, you will just get your teenage neighbor killed with your rhetoric. Next time, say something of real value that lends itself to an intelligent debate. Save the right wing whacko "slogans" for faux news. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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