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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 612679" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>AV8,</p><p> </p><p>I made my position very clear already. I guess you need a reminder. I personally dont believe there is a way to WIN in Afghanistan.</p><p> </p><p>I dont care if you place another 100K troops on the ground and the support to house that number, you will never be able to control the country.</p><p> </p><p>The rational for this is simple. DRUGS. Until our country is ready to face the music and wipe out ALL the poppy fields in Afghanistan, we will NEVER win in Afghanistan. The billion dollar drug industry as well as the corruption of President Karzai will only lead to the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers over the next whatever years we are stuck there.</p><p> </p><p>The Karzai goverment has made deals with many of the Taliban leaders in order to stay in power and those deals are the reason the country is unstable.</p><p> </p><p>I as an american, am not in a position to lock in our fine young men and women to a war that is UNWINABLE just to be politically correct. I will not support staying there for another 5 years or so wasting billions of dollars and the lives of our military personnel on a treadmill of death.</p><p> </p><p>There is too much influence by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, China, Yemen and even Somalia in Afghanistan. Money and weapons continue to flow into the hands of the Taliban. In the years of our occupation under BUSH, nothing was done to cut off this influence.</p><p> </p><p>Today, the Taliban is larger than it was when we invaded. They are also better armed today than they were when we invaded. </p><p> </p><p>When BUSH failed America by leaving less soldiers in Afghanistan than there are policemen in New York city to attack IRAQ, he gave up any strategic advange we could have had in Afghanistan.</p><p> </p><p>After BUSH left Afghanistan for his failure in Iraq, the Taliban was able to regroup, rearm, retake and refund there efforts by improving relationships with countries angry with us.</p><p> </p><p>That put us where we are today. There are many generals who have wrote in books this EXACT point.</p><p> </p><p>Many generals involved with Afghanistan and replaced by BUSH because they advised him that going into Iraq was a mistake before finishing Afghanistan were right on the money.</p><p> </p><p>So my answer is this. Give it a year, see what can be accomplish, if no progress, then pull out, take our lumps and leave that country alone to fight its own battles.</p><p> </p><p>If Karzai wants to make deals with the drug industry to stay in power, then he suffers the consequences. As far as Al Qaeda, well, I dont really believe they exist anymore and have transformed into something different.</p><p> </p><p>The violence in the region will not stop. Pakistan now hosts most of the radicals left in that region. We lost any advantage to get them before they fled to Pakistan. Now they can come and go into Afghanistan with impunity.</p><p> </p><p>40K troops and the support network to handle that troop increase will accomplish nothing. </p><p> </p><p>We are suppose to be a superpower, yet we have been held off by a third world rag tag group of desert dwellers, thats embarrassing enough for me.</p><p> </p><p>I dont need another 5 years of war to be convinced that we need to get out of there.</p><p> </p><p>My answer, get out, and get out while informing Karzai he'd better clean up his act and start acting like a democracy. </p><p> </p><p>His recent election was "rigged" and may not hold anyway. Fraud and corruption has been discovered and this will only lead to more violence.</p><p> </p><p>Time to get out.</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 612679, member: 17969"] AV8, I made my position very clear already. I guess you need a reminder. I personally dont believe there is a way to WIN in Afghanistan. I dont care if you place another 100K troops on the ground and the support to house that number, you will never be able to control the country. The rational for this is simple. DRUGS. Until our country is ready to face the music and wipe out ALL the poppy fields in Afghanistan, we will NEVER win in Afghanistan. The billion dollar drug industry as well as the corruption of President Karzai will only lead to the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers over the next whatever years we are stuck there. The Karzai goverment has made deals with many of the Taliban leaders in order to stay in power and those deals are the reason the country is unstable. I as an american, am not in a position to lock in our fine young men and women to a war that is UNWINABLE just to be politically correct. I will not support staying there for another 5 years or so wasting billions of dollars and the lives of our military personnel on a treadmill of death. There is too much influence by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, China, Yemen and even Somalia in Afghanistan. Money and weapons continue to flow into the hands of the Taliban. In the years of our occupation under BUSH, nothing was done to cut off this influence. Today, the Taliban is larger than it was when we invaded. They are also better armed today than they were when we invaded. When BUSH failed America by leaving less soldiers in Afghanistan than there are policemen in New York city to attack IRAQ, he gave up any strategic advange we could have had in Afghanistan. After BUSH left Afghanistan for his failure in Iraq, the Taliban was able to regroup, rearm, retake and refund there efforts by improving relationships with countries angry with us. That put us where we are today. There are many generals who have wrote in books this EXACT point. Many generals involved with Afghanistan and replaced by BUSH because they advised him that going into Iraq was a mistake before finishing Afghanistan were right on the money. So my answer is this. Give it a year, see what can be accomplish, if no progress, then pull out, take our lumps and leave that country alone to fight its own battles. If Karzai wants to make deals with the drug industry to stay in power, then he suffers the consequences. As far as Al Qaeda, well, I dont really believe they exist anymore and have transformed into something different. The violence in the region will not stop. Pakistan now hosts most of the radicals left in that region. We lost any advantage to get them before they fled to Pakistan. Now they can come and go into Afghanistan with impunity. 40K troops and the support network to handle that troop increase will accomplish nothing. We are suppose to be a superpower, yet we have been held off by a third world rag tag group of desert dwellers, thats embarrassing enough for me. I dont need another 5 years of war to be convinced that we need to get out of there. My answer, get out, and get out while informing Karzai he'd better clean up his act and start acting like a democracy. His recent election was "rigged" and may not hold anyway. Fraud and corruption has been discovered and this will only lead to more violence. Time to get out. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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