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<blockquote data-quote="diesel96" data-source="post: 614392" data-attributes="member: 9859"><p><strong>What is your obsession with Bush? Did you get the memo that he is no longer the president? OK one thing that I learned in the military was that when you encounter people from another environment you observe their customs and try to use their language. Everything you just quoted me on was a copy and paste from posts made by the other side with just a minor substitution of obama for Bush. Your double standards are very entertaining.</strong> <strong>I am not on this thread to defend anyone. I do however find your disdain for the lack of respect for Obama very interesting after the things that have been said on these message boards about Bush, since you brought that up.</strong> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">We are all guilty of trash talking politicians and leaders. What's abnormal is the QUANTITY of junior varsity rhetoric coming out of your posts lately. Your visceral anger is apparently getting to you. I suggest watching some football, enjoy a cold beer, and lay off "Current Events" at least until Monday....Believe me, The left will come down hard on Obama by next year if his campaign promises reguarding foriegn policy are not progressing.....</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>The problem with your defense of Obama here is that he met with his advisers months ago. He picked his Generals. He implemented his strategy. The white house(that's not a racist thing) leaked a report they received weeks ago saying more troops were needed for this strategy to work. This strategy was also the one Obama championed during his campaign. You have also cited and championed officers who did not agree with the Bush strategy but true to your double standard form you now attack McChrystal.</strong> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">My only attack on McChrystal is not his recommendations, but for him to fall in line with the chain of command. Like Defense Sec Gates said, you can be candid but in private...That means no leaks from the Pentagon and watch what you say in press conferences....</span></p><p><span style="color: red">A decsion as important as sending more Troops to Afgh can be altered for example by a tainted election, and an unstable, unwilling Gov't..</span></p><p><span style="color: red"> Military strategies can and will be reaccessed more frequently than your holding them to....</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Obama is a poor leader. He made a strategy decision months ago on leadership and overall tactics in this war. He failed to properly resource this strategy. His poll numbers fell on his ability to handle this problem so now he has to "rethink" his strategy. Leadership by polls is not leadership. When you want to be a leader you must have the ability to make tough decisions. This inability to lead is costing the lives of our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and children. This makes Obama a spinless piece of crap and that is an honest opinion of the man from me. You, just by claiming that Obama demands respect, cannot make me respect him as I could never force you to respect Bush and I did not try. That is something he must earn not by giving a speech but by his actions. If he believed in his strategy then he should be in front of Congress asking for more troops. If he needed time to refine his position then he should not have been out playing golf. If he needed time to meet with his advisors he should have met with them instead of globetrotting to glad hand Olympic officials. If he does not think we should be there he should pull the troops out. This indecision is costing lives and money. See how easy it is to attack the person in power. I mainly watched you guys do the exact same thing with Bush and now I get all the crying from the peanut gallery when your guy is in power. </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">Again, your assumption that Obama's rethinking his strategy because of poll numbers is a flat out pipedream. Your assumption that Troops are dying because of his indecsion is a cop-out. Your entitled to your opinion of the President, but it's taking with a grain of salt IMO. And if thats the best excuse your supporters can come up with, obsessing with blaming golf and meeting with the IOC, has taking away time to deal with Afgh is what your banking on for the 2010 elections, good luck.... </span></p></blockquote><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="diesel96, post: 614392, member: 9859"] [B]What is your obsession with Bush? Did you get the memo that he is no longer the president? OK one thing that I learned in the military was that when you encounter people from another environment you observe their customs and try to use their language. Everything you just quoted me on was a copy and paste from posts made by the other side with just a minor substitution of obama for Bush. Your double standards are very entertaining.[/B] [B]I am not on this thread to defend anyone. I do however find your disdain for the lack of respect for Obama very interesting after the things that have been said on these message boards about Bush, since you brought that up.[/B] [COLOR=red]We are all guilty of trash talking politicians and leaders. What's abnormal is the QUANTITY of junior varsity rhetoric coming out of your posts lately. Your visceral anger is apparently getting to you. I suggest watching some football, enjoy a cold beer, and lay off "Current Events" at least until Monday....Believe me, The left will come down hard on Obama by next year if his campaign promises reguarding foriegn policy are not progressing.....[/COLOR] [B]The problem with your defense of Obama here is that he met with his advisers months ago. He picked his Generals. He implemented his strategy. The white house(that's not a racist thing) leaked a report they received weeks ago saying more troops were needed for this strategy to work. This strategy was also the one Obama championed during his campaign. You have also cited and championed officers who did not agree with the Bush strategy but true to your double standard form you now attack McChrystal.[/B] [COLOR=red]My only attack on McChrystal is not his recommendations, but for him to fall in line with the chain of command. Like Defense Sec Gates said, you can be candid but in private...That means no leaks from the Pentagon and watch what you say in press conferences....[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]A decsion as important as sending more Troops to Afgh can be altered for example by a tainted election, and an unstable, unwilling Gov't..[/COLOR] [COLOR=red] Military strategies can and will be reaccessed more frequently than your holding them to....[/COLOR] [COLOR=red][/COLOR] Obama is a poor leader. He made a strategy decision months ago on leadership and overall tactics in this war. He failed to properly resource this strategy. His poll numbers fell on his ability to handle this problem so now he has to "rethink" his strategy. Leadership by polls is not leadership. When you want to be a leader you must have the ability to make tough decisions. This inability to lead is costing the lives of our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and children. This makes Obama a spinless piece of crap and that is an honest opinion of the man from me. You, just by claiming that Obama demands respect, cannot make me respect him as I could never force you to respect Bush and I did not try. That is something he must earn not by giving a speech but by his actions. If he believed in his strategy then he should be in front of Congress asking for more troops. If he needed time to refine his position then he should not have been out playing golf. If he needed time to meet with his advisors he should have met with them instead of globetrotting to glad hand Olympic officials. If he does not think we should be there he should pull the troops out. This indecision is costing lives and money. See how easy it is to attack the person in power. I mainly watched you guys do the exact same thing with Bush and now I get all the crying from the peanut gallery when your guy is in power. [COLOR=red]Again, your assumption that Obama's rethinking his strategy because of poll numbers is a flat out pipedream. Your assumption that Troops are dying because of his indecsion is a cop-out. Your entitled to your opinion of the President, but it's taking with a grain of salt IMO. And if thats the best excuse your supporters can come up with, obsessing with blaming golf and meeting with the IOC, has taking away time to deal with Afgh is what your banking on for the 2010 elections, good luck.... [/COLOR] [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
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