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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 645859" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Never suggested Taliban did exist BUT our intervention into that world fertilized the ground from which the Taliban sprang along with bin Laden and Al Qaeda. President Carter did institute the covert policy that led to the later problems that fact is historically set in stone whether you like it or not. I've applauded Carter for speaking out on the Israeli/Palesteinian Gaza situation and still support a lot of what he has to say about that region but alot of the problems over there began on his watch.</p><p></p><p>We also can't ignore the <a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Oil_watch/Carter_Doctrine_Global_Oil.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Carter Doctrine</span></a> in regards to the wider region and I do think in many ways this doctrine was the undersupporting element to the initial Gulf War although I also think there were others factors at play obviously.</p><p></p><p>As for fearing the Soviet Union, are you justifying the admitted actions during the Carter Presidency whereby our gov't at will based on fear can use anyone it wants (some stirred up muslims) by any means necessary to achieve a political end or in this case, make you feel safe? In otherwords, the dead bodies and the trampled souls don't matter, it's you only that matter, gee that almost sounds republican!</p><p></p><p>Gov't can do anything it needs to as long as I feel safe and protected and I get what I want. Everyone else be damned. That almost sounds libertine although the mechanism of choice to achieve that feeling of safety is in fact purely fascist! Violence and forced complusion as a means to an end. Makes the robber and mafia almost seems honest and respectable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Like Al Qaeda, the Soviets and the red menace were nothing more than <a href="http://pubrecord.org/commentary/5161/exaggeration-threat-then/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">scare tactics</span> </a>to manipulate a population in following a State/Corp. construct.</p><p></p><p>As for my <a href="http://freedomainradio.com/board/blogs/freedomain/archive/2008/11/13/everyday-anarchy-the-book.aspx" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">"Utopian Libertarian"</span></a> being some flashback from 60's chemicals, well that reaction in itself just proves like your twin Tie, you got zero in the tank to debate an issue without resorting to name calling. So since you've opened the door to childish insults........The moment you both run out of gas, which is usually pretty quick, here come the names or an endless supply of meaningless questions to deflect the debate. The only difference between Tie and yourself is the distance across the alphabet between the letters "D" & "R" but you spend most of your time at <span style="color: red">"friend".</span> I guess it's a <span style="color: red">matter of attitude.</span></p><p></p><p>Other than that, you are both totaliterian, authoriterian tyrant cheerleaders of the first order and I <a href="http://c4ss.org/content/1434" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">cheer with glee</span> </a>as your empire comes crumbling down. Funny how it was a republican (Bush) and now democrat (Obama) whose doing what a handful of anti-statists have been trying to do for years. It's beginning to implode under it's own weight just like the Soviet Union did at it's end. Google <strong>Graveyard of Empires</strong> and look at the history and you'll see America's future! How perfectly fitting and we're suppose to now trust "YOUR" people, the very ones who got us in this total mess to now get us out by going all in? Boy, now that sounds like a real plan!</p><p></p><p>As for my portraying all politicians as evil, Hmmm....never realized I was so alone in that opinion. But then I don't fear a truly free society like you and your twin brother do!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You and Tie will appreciate this one from Orwell!</p><p></p><p></p><p>And to finish I leave you with George Orwell again</p><p></p><p></p><p>Gee, the room is getting crowded is it not?</p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/media/iot_anarchism.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 645859, member: 2189"] Never suggested Taliban did exist BUT our intervention into that world fertilized the ground from which the Taliban sprang along with bin Laden and Al Qaeda. President Carter did institute the covert policy that led to the later problems that fact is historically set in stone whether you like it or not. I've applauded Carter for speaking out on the Israeli/Palesteinian Gaza situation and still support a lot of what he has to say about that region but alot of the problems over there began on his watch. We also can't ignore the [URL='http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Oil_watch/Carter_Doctrine_Global_Oil.html'][COLOR=red]Carter Doctrine[/COLOR][/URL] in regards to the wider region and I do think in many ways this doctrine was the undersupporting element to the initial Gulf War although I also think there were others factors at play obviously. As for fearing the Soviet Union, are you justifying the admitted actions during the Carter Presidency whereby our gov't at will based on fear can use anyone it wants (some stirred up muslims) by any means necessary to achieve a political end or in this case, make you feel safe? In otherwords, the dead bodies and the trampled souls don't matter, it's you only that matter, gee that almost sounds republican! Gov't can do anything it needs to as long as I feel safe and protected and I get what I want. Everyone else be damned. That almost sounds libertine although the mechanism of choice to achieve that feeling of safety is in fact purely fascist! Violence and forced complusion as a means to an end. Makes the robber and mafia almost seems honest and respectable. Like Al Qaeda, the Soviets and the red menace were nothing more than [URL='http://pubrecord.org/commentary/5161/exaggeration-threat-then/'][COLOR=red]scare tactics[/COLOR] [/URL]to manipulate a population in following a State/Corp. construct. As for my [URL='http://freedomainradio.com/board/blogs/freedomain/archive/2008/11/13/everyday-anarchy-the-book.aspx'][COLOR=red]"Utopian Libertarian"[/COLOR][/URL] being some flashback from 60's chemicals, well that reaction in itself just proves like your twin Tie, you got zero in the tank to debate an issue without resorting to name calling. So since you've opened the door to childish insults........The moment you both run out of gas, which is usually pretty quick, here come the names or an endless supply of meaningless questions to deflect the debate. The only difference between Tie and yourself is the distance across the alphabet between the letters "D" & "R" but you spend most of your time at [COLOR=red]"friend".[/COLOR] I guess it's a [COLOR=red]matter of attitude.[/COLOR] Other than that, you are both totaliterian, authoriterian tyrant cheerleaders of the first order and I [URL='http://c4ss.org/content/1434'][COLOR=red]cheer with glee[/COLOR] [/URL]as your empire comes crumbling down. Funny how it was a republican (Bush) and now democrat (Obama) whose doing what a handful of anti-statists have been trying to do for years. It's beginning to implode under it's own weight just like the Soviet Union did at it's end. Google [B]Graveyard of Empires[/B] and look at the history and you'll see America's future! How perfectly fitting and we're suppose to now trust "YOUR" people, the very ones who got us in this total mess to now get us out by going all in? Boy, now that sounds like a real plan! As for my portraying all politicians as evil, Hmmm....never realized I was so alone in that opinion. But then I don't fear a truly free society like you and your twin brother do! You and Tie will appreciate this one from Orwell! And to finish I leave you with George Orwell again Gee, the room is getting crowded is it not? [IMG]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/media/iot_anarchism.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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