American liberals and conservatives think as if from different cultures

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
No. I did not know that. Nor does anyone who knows what "conservative" and "socialist" and "liberal" and "capitalist" mean both in definition and in practice.
I do. Most people do. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp. Unless you are liberal democrat troll.
 

bbsam

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I do. Most people do. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp. Unless you are liberal democrat troll.
Go on. Enlighten me, please. What does your intuition tell you? I'll give you a hint: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia are three of the most conservative nations on the planet.
 

wkmac

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The US was a conservative state from 1776 to about 1965. Built for the long term. Since 1965, we've slowly started on the path to our end.

The Soviet Union was a socialist state. Look what happened to them.

You really didn't know this? Now you know why I call you a troll.

Conservatives by definition fought for and in defense of the British Crown circa 1776'.

The Soviet Union was also a State Capitalist system.

Lenin acknowledging the intentional implementation of State Capitalism in the USSR
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Go on. Enlighten me, please. What does your intuition tell you? I'll give you a hint: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia are three of the most conservative nations on the planet.
Your definition of conservative and mine are 100% opposite. True conservatism will not exist under dictatorships. They will fight for freedom. Like the conservatives in the Union fighting to free the slaves from the liberal Democrats.
 

bbsam

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Your definition of conservative and mine are 100% opposite. True conservatism will not exist under dictatorships. They will fight for freedom. Like the conservatives in the Union fighting to free the slaves from the liberal Democrats.
And today, the conservatives in the south are fighting for what?
 

bbsam

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Wrong on both counts. The Americans that fought for the Crown were called Tories. And they consisted of all political types.
And the Soviets did not have Capitalism. Nice try troll.
That's your problem. You can't get past the labels. You have a mind set up with hollow bullet points with little inclination to search any deeper. Nothing wrong with that really. It's just odd that a person would be content to accept things that simply make no sense.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
That's your problem. You can't get past the labels. You have a mind set up with hollow bullet points with little inclination to search any deeper. Nothing wrong with that really. It's just odd that a person would be content to accept things that simply make no sense.
Why are you running away from the historic labels of your party. You don't like liberal, slave owner, KKK, writers of the Jim Crow laws or welfare state creators?
 

bbsam

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Why are you running away from the historic labels of your party. You don't like liberal, slave owner, KKK, writers of the Jim Crow laws or welfare state creators?
I'm not running from anything. I'm laughing at the fact that you can not think analytically. That you think labels tell the story and that what a party stood for 150 years ago remain what it stands for today regardless the positions they take on issues today. Is that so very difficult for you to understand...or is it to inconvenient to look that deep into the facts. In the first case, it would suggest that you are stupid. I doubt that. On the other hand, if Google is too inconvenient, if history is too boring, if thinking past labels too time consuming, then that simply means you are capable but intellectually lazy. I think that very possible.
 

wkmac

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The irony that international communism and American elective conservatism both associate themselves with the color red.

Well now, what might that be saying?

HHHHHhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm!
 
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