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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 826057" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I agree that taxation acts as a throttle but even more to the point, acts as a method of redistribution. Our central gov't creates budgets and in the background of these budgets are the same mechanisms of central planning and thus re-allocation of resources not from natural market forces but in many cases in spite of are required in order to achieve an end result. That end result is not always for the noble benefit of society but rather to the benefit of the privileged and connected closely aligned to policy makers. This from my POV is where capitalism and free market or laissez faire inhabit very opposite ends of the economic spectrum. The former IMO is a purely statist model and the latter of a non-statist or no-statist model.</p><p> </p><p>Problem is this view conflicts totally with the 2 party state ideal of capitalism as good cop/bad cop. One side sez capitalism is a blessing and the other sez it's a curse while neither side realizes capitalism is in truth promoting both points of view in order to benefit itself. We hear time after time Obamacare is socialist and yet who here besides myself has looked at the 5 year stock chart for United HealthCare Group for example? I guess since Obama came into office, United Healthcare's stock has tanked, about to close the doors in the face of pure socialism but yet since Obama took office, the company stock has nearly tripled and since Obamacare was signed into law in May 2010' it's nearly doubled. Hell, if socialism is that good for United Healthcare's Stock, bring it own for all the rest right? Not only does the "Obama is a socialist" crowd have a problem in the case of United Healthcare, so to do the folks who say Obama is going to protect us from the greedy corporations. When are we going to stop eating the blue pills like candy?</p><p> </p><p>And then we have another word that enters the fray and that is "public policy" which is another central planning ideal IMO. A website devoted to opposing domestic violence against women I thought gave a pretty good general defintion to what public policy is:</p><p></p><p>The question is, who has the representatives ear?</p><p> </p><p>Public policy is just more Edward Bernays and Walter Lippmann PR term to concoct a word change that hides what is really central planning. Propaganda is still propaganda and we need to understand that it's not required to have a Hitler or Stalin present in order to see it's effects. In fact, Hitler got his propaganda model from a <span style="color: red">purely American source.</span> Funny how the elements of the American political left and political right scream about the media and they both are correct and yet they stay divided because they've been conditioned to do so in the face of a common foe. United We Stand, Divided We ....?</p><p> </p><p>But one other area that taxation comes into play is as a mechanism to harvest out excess dollars to control inflation. I realize that statement may seem as outlandish as little green men and I understand that but if one were to understand the nature of money creation in a fractional reserve system by the central bank, great start there is the Fed's own <span style="color: red">Modern Money Mechanics</span>, it might begin a process of understanding that at the least, this might be plausible. And this idea has not been excluded at all from being visited by gov't itself and it's discussion as relates to public policy. Consider this:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">Here's the address</span> I first ran across this speech in the 1980's in an IRS archive and thank god someone placed it on the internet. I'm also not suggesting that the income tax's exclusive use is inflation control but it is a part of the larger economic policy IMO. <span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">Interesting enough it also speaks to your idea of taxation not needed to finance gov't but what the resulting effects might be if we took that approach. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: black">And in discussing capitalism as an economic model and democracy as a political model I found <span style="color: red">this 25 minute video interview</span> of interest. The interview is with 2 evolutionary psychologists and comparing tribal society man evolving into market economic man and yet how tribal instincts play out in this process. This also reminded me of a piece from Harvard Business Review circa 1998' and <span style="color: red">How We Are Hardwired in Human Behavior.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000">Both I think are worthy of note and the latter also has much to say as to workplace conditions as a broader context addition to the original point of this thread. As to what purpose taxation serves, again full transparency to the public in order to have a fully informed voter is a must and I would thus ask, where is the mainstream media in all of this? The info's not secret at all so why hasn't the MSM covered these issues before? Forget the illusions of political sides in the case of the media but rather ask the question why have they all been silent?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="color: #000000"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /> </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 826057, member: 2189"] I agree that taxation acts as a throttle but even more to the point, acts as a method of redistribution. Our central gov't creates budgets and in the background of these budgets are the same mechanisms of central planning and thus re-allocation of resources not from natural market forces but in many cases in spite of are required in order to achieve an end result. That end result is not always for the noble benefit of society but rather to the benefit of the privileged and connected closely aligned to policy makers. This from my POV is where capitalism and free market or laissez faire inhabit very opposite ends of the economic spectrum. The former IMO is a purely statist model and the latter of a non-statist or no-statist model. Problem is this view conflicts totally with the 2 party state ideal of capitalism as good cop/bad cop. One side sez capitalism is a blessing and the other sez it's a curse while neither side realizes capitalism is in truth promoting both points of view in order to benefit itself. We hear time after time Obamacare is socialist and yet who here besides myself has looked at the 5 year stock chart for United HealthCare Group for example? I guess since Obama came into office, United Healthcare's stock has tanked, about to close the doors in the face of pure socialism but yet since Obama took office, the company stock has nearly tripled and since Obamacare was signed into law in May 2010' it's nearly doubled. Hell, if socialism is that good for United Healthcare's Stock, bring it own for all the rest right? Not only does the "Obama is a socialist" crowd have a problem in the case of United Healthcare, so to do the folks who say Obama is going to protect us from the greedy corporations. When are we going to stop eating the blue pills like candy? And then we have another word that enters the fray and that is "public policy" which is another central planning ideal IMO. A website devoted to opposing domestic violence against women I thought gave a pretty good general defintion to what public policy is: The question is, who has the representatives ear? Public policy is just more Edward Bernays and Walter Lippmann PR term to concoct a word change that hides what is really central planning. Propaganda is still propaganda and we need to understand that it's not required to have a Hitler or Stalin present in order to see it's effects. In fact, Hitler got his propaganda model from a [COLOR=red]purely American source.[/COLOR] Funny how the elements of the American political left and political right scream about the media and they both are correct and yet they stay divided because they've been conditioned to do so in the face of a common foe. United We Stand, Divided We ....? But one other area that taxation comes into play is as a mechanism to harvest out excess dollars to control inflation. I realize that statement may seem as outlandish as little green men and I understand that but if one were to understand the nature of money creation in a fractional reserve system by the central bank, great start there is the Fed's own [COLOR=red]Modern Money Mechanics[/COLOR], it might begin a process of understanding that at the least, this might be plausible. And this idea has not been excluded at all from being visited by gov't itself and it's discussion as relates to public policy. Consider this: [COLOR=red]Here's the address[/COLOR] I first ran across this speech in the 1980's in an IRS archive and thank god someone placed it on the internet. I'm also not suggesting that the income tax's exclusive use is inflation control but it is a part of the larger economic policy IMO. [COLOR=red][COLOR=#000000]Interesting enough it also speaks to your idea of taxation not needed to finance gov't but what the resulting effects might be if we took that approach. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red] [COLOR=black]And in discussing capitalism as an economic model and democracy as a political model I found [COLOR=red]this 25 minute video interview[/COLOR] of interest. The interview is with 2 evolutionary psychologists and comparing tribal society man evolving into market economic man and yet how tribal instincts play out in this process. This also reminded me of a piece from Harvard Business Review circa 1998' and [COLOR=red]How We Are Hardwired in Human Behavior.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Both I think are worthy of note and the latter also has much to say as to workplace conditions as a broader context addition to the original point of this thread. As to what purpose taxation serves, again full transparency to the public in order to have a fully informed voter is a must and I would thus ask, where is the mainstream media in all of this? The info's not secret at all so why hasn't the MSM covered these issues before? Forget the illusions of political sides in the case of the media but rather ask the question why have they all been silent?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=red] [COLOR=#000000]:peaceful: [/COLOR][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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