An old question about IE, numbers and other things that dont matter.

[kingOFchester]

A mere on-car supervisor does not have the authority to "adjust a workload accordingly". Tooner's on-car sup is probably already aware of the fact that the workload is excessive and the allowance is unfair, but an on-car sup cannot ever allow a little thing like reality to get in the way of generating the make-believe numbers that upper management wants to see. Corporate policy has always been that if there is a production problem on a route, it is the drivers fault. Period. This policy is chiseled in stone and will never be changed. The goal, as always, is to create a "standard" that can only be met by working off of the clock. Tooner isnt willing to work off of the clock, hence she is the problem.

You fail to realize we are all outside of the bubble of goodness that is UPS.

 

[Re-Raise]

You could always tell them that you have two speeds, and if they don't like that one they are really going to HATE the other one.

 

[JackStraw]

It's real easy for them to tell you you're not doing the job looking at a piece of paper. I've been here over 30 yrs and NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN FIRED OVER NUMBERS. The union does not recognize it. Smile, be confident you are doing the job, and shove the methods down their throat.

 

[Wally]

How about instead of threatening to file 9.5 grievances, actually file them. If they won't fix it then you may as well get paid for it. Don't let them intimidate you. They pushed so you shove.......paperwork down their throats!!!

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[Indecisi0n]

How about instead of threatening to file 9.5 grievances, actually file them. If they won't fix it then you may as well get paid for it. Don't let them intimidate you. They pushed so you shove.......paperwork down their throats!!!

Like the 75% of drivers in my building they are all afraid to file. Weak.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Like the 75% of drivers in my building they are all afraid to file. Weak.

Many want the OT -so they can afford the three kids and big house and nice cars that society suggests everyone should have...

 

[brownmonster]

Many want the OT -so they can afford the three kids and big house and nice cars that society suggests everyone should have...

Society didn't decide I should have 3 kids. Twins running in my wife's family did.

 

[728ups]

Many want the OT -so they can afford the three kids and big house and nice cars that society suggests everyone should have...

And if one files one still gets that overtime as well as a nice fat bonus check from the Excessive OT grievances every other month. The company stance is that paying out the grievances is cheaper than putting extra people on.
If anything when one files,one's dispatch becomes even heavier,and more hours are worked

 

[UnconTROLLed]

And if one files one still gets that overtime as well as a nice fat bonus check from the Excessive OT grievances every other month. The company stance is that paying out the grievances is cheaper than putting extra people on.
If anything when one files,one's dispatch becomes even heavier,and more hours are worked

So you're saying the union and 9.5 language is completely useless. That's not surprising - and at least you are willing to admit it. Which is why I and many others are not interesting in bidding out of a FT inside job.

If every driver within a center were on the 9.5 list, the grievance pay from "loading up" drivers would probably offset the savings from less routes, within a fair cost-analysis. Could be wrong, but it would make sense given the company's policy of harassing and intimidating drivers joining the list.

Personally, I believe most people are naive valuing money versus personal time. I'd much rather have time to better myself outside of UPS, than to be a "paid" union guy. That's what old-school socialists generally fought for in labor disputes...$$. No thanks!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

So you're saying the union and 9.5 language is completely useless. That's not surprising - and at least you are willing to admit it. Which is why I and many others are not interesting in bidding out of a FT inside job.

If every driver within a center were on the 9.5 list, the grievance pay from "loading up" drivers would probably offset the savings from less routes, within a fair cost-analysis. Could be wrong, but it would make sense given the company's policy of harassing and intimidating drivers joining the list.

Personally, I believe most people are naive valuing money versus personal time. I'd much rather have time to better myself outside of UPS, than to be a "paid" union guy. That's what old-school socialists generally fought for in labor disputes...$$. No thanks!

Trust me! Get on the list...............and let the harassment begin! They will do everything they possibly can, to make you look like a friend.n idiot! Just do your route the right way.....and in time they will pick on somebody else!

 

[QKRSTKR]

In central states we don't get the bonus pay or grev. Pay. I think tooner is central. So 9.5 grev. Suck. Our final resolution if it can't be worked out is to strike. How many are willing to strike for toon? Exactly.

One way to say about sporh is you don't have the exact same stops or circumstances everyday. Period. Tell them to give you the exact same stops everyday and you'll have the exact same sporh everyday. That simple. Do the job by the book. Don't give them a reason to get u. File harassment grev. If they don't back off. Far more effective.

 

[toonertoo]

From what I have seen the 9.5 grievance here is a whisper and a promise. They never hear them, I dont think anyone has ever gotten paid. I need to make a decision this week, so I will be checking with a few people.
Thanks for all the help.

 

[DSM515]

My on car said too me "you were .82 over yesterday that's not acceptable" I unclipped my keys and handed them too him and said "well show me how's it's done then, cuz if you think I want too spend one minute more in this truck than I have too your sadly mistaking!" Let them know your not scared of them and you don't care if they ride with you and they will leave you alone. They have never said another word about being over.

 

[toonertoo]

Rough day. If its possible to be 3 hrs late, I was.

I respectfully asked them to raise my back up limit to 15, since they have given me five more dock deliveries, and I was at 10. center manager told me to deliver 5 of them from the door, so I did, because I had to.

I was given a junk truck, Im sure as punishment and I could not get the back door open.

The bulkhead door wouldnt stay shut, and the passenger door and rear door were next to impossible to open, so most of the day I rode with it open, which I had to anyway as the fumes were so bad, and the truck smoked every time I shut it off, all 148 times.

Been on the area 12 yrs, got a split I had never seen, had no clue how to run it, and it was not palled, just thrown in my truck. It was even hoodier, than my normal hood, so I pulled early, did it, and delivered all my commercial that was open late, late.

No one knows why my truck was pulled or who had it.

Tomorrow should be awesome.

 

[Jackburton]

Many want the OT -so they can afford the three kids and big house and nice cars that society suggests everyone should have...

Or so I'm not here in 25-30 years like the guys that took 3 no pays a week or skipped thier lunch and have nothing put away.

 

[PT Car Washer]

How many times can you say "today was the worst day of my life". Hang in there. Can't get much worse. Than it gets better.

 

[barnyard]

Wow.

It appears that you work for some very vindictive individuals.

Bad deal.

 

[Catatonic]

Rough day. If its possible to be 3 hrs late, I was.

I respectfully asked them to raise my back up limit to 15, since they have given me five more dock deliveries, and I was at 10. center manager told me to deliver 5 of them from the door, so I did, because I had to.

I was given a junk truck, Im sure as punishment and I could not get the back door open.

The bulkhead door wouldnt stay shut, and the passenger door and rear door were next to impossible to open, so most of the day I rode with it open, which I had to anyway as the fumes were so bad, and the truck smoked every time I shut it off, all 148 times.

Been on the area 12 yrs, got a split I had never seen, had no clue how to run it, and it was not palled, just thrown in my truck. It was even hoodier, than my normal hood, so I pulled early, did it, and delivered all my commercial that was open late, late.

No one knows why my truck was pulled or who had it.

Tomorrow should be awesome.

Have the closest DOT and an OSHA number when you get to work.
​Make sure they know you have these numbers and that you will call.

 

[toonertoo]

Have the closest DOT and an OSHA number when you get to work.
​Make sure they know you have these numbers and that you will call.

I also have a pic of my lengthy write up, if the car has been moved to someone else, I will share it with them, and the numbers. It is not safe to drive. Even the bad add clerk witnessed it when I pulled in at 8:30, so I have a witness.

Why does it have to be like this.

 

[3 done 3 to go]

My on car said too me "you were .82 over yesterday that's not. acceptable" I unclipped my keys and handed them too him and said "well show me how's it's done then, cuz if you think I want too spend one minute more in this truck than I have too your sadly mistaking!" Let them know your not scared of them and you don't care if they ride with you and they will leave you alone. They have never said another word about being over.

Isn't it funny. I almost cant believe they can say anything with a strait face. With a different load each and everyday. I don't know what I have new anymore. Just to get me to whatever number they try to get me too. Most days they cut a half hr of gravy. For an hr of miles. Will they balance out.,,? No. Set up to fail.