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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 166146" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>It was in reference to this statement:</p><p></p><p>When we were fighting for independence from England, our "freedom fighters" would then be terrorists to the English. Under your logic, the Minutemen during the Revolutionary war were no different than the suicide bombers: freedom fighters. Wrapping it up, to say that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter puts us in the position to undo what wrongs we've comitted in the past if indeed we are as bad as suicide bombers: Turn over America to England. (sarcasm... really not looking for a segway into slavery or native americans)</p><p></p><p>If you want to split hairs about the difference between the two, one group <em>intentionally</em> targets civilians as a means to make a political statement. Not sure if that difference is important to you, it is to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Do I think all Israelis are innocent of what? Defending themselves? I see repeated bombings in crowded marketplaces proudly carried out by terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. A bus of men, women and children becomes a target simply because it's easy. A car packed with enough C4 to remove the face of a hotel too often finds a parking spot. Isreal responds with tanks into Gaza in search of terrorist leadership or rocket attacks on known terrorist targets, only to eventually bow to international pressure to withdraw and return to peace talks. Palestine on the otherhand, did nothing in the past to crackdown on Hamas, and then went on to elect them into power.</p><p></p><p>We lost two buildings to cowardly terrorist activities, and the world saw our response in the form of governments in two countries being eliminated, their militaries decimated, and their land conquered and still occupied today. What do you think our response would be if we've been putting up with it for <em>40 years</em>? After 9/11 we saw news reports that took cameras into Arabic classrooms. The children, 7-10 years old were drawing pictures of American buildings they want to blow up when they get older as a class project. Osama bin Laden is idolized. Hatred is taught from the time they are born, and sympathetic views towards America or Israel is a death sentence in some places. But no, I don't think <em>all</em> palestinians are guilty... it's just hard to separate the two when the innocent have no voice. It becomes a leap of faith to say they exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Your statement that Israel was "founded on terrorism" combined with the comparison of suicide bombers to freedom fighters suggests you believe the two are equal. That on some level, Palestinian terrorists are justified when they target kids or crowded marketplaces because they are fighting for freedom. I don't consider ANY group (palestinian or other) to be "innocent" if they feel targeting civilians to be a legitimate militaristic tactic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Going to save that for the next post... working on getting some pics together, scanned, uploaded etc... but my frozen pizza is ready so story time will have to wait for a few minutes.. maybe an hour, the pizza is pretty hot. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 166146, member: 8423"] It was in reference to this statement: When we were fighting for independence from England, our "freedom fighters" would then be terrorists to the English. Under your logic, the Minutemen during the Revolutionary war were no different than the suicide bombers: freedom fighters. Wrapping it up, to say that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter puts us in the position to undo what wrongs we've comitted in the past if indeed we are as bad as suicide bombers: Turn over America to England. (sarcasm... really not looking for a segway into slavery or native americans) If you want to split hairs about the difference between the two, one group [I]intentionally[/I] targets civilians as a means to make a political statement. Not sure if that difference is important to you, it is to me. Do I think all Israelis are innocent of what? Defending themselves? I see repeated bombings in crowded marketplaces proudly carried out by terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. A bus of men, women and children becomes a target simply because it's easy. A car packed with enough C4 to remove the face of a hotel too often finds a parking spot. Isreal responds with tanks into Gaza in search of terrorist leadership or rocket attacks on known terrorist targets, only to eventually bow to international pressure to withdraw and return to peace talks. Palestine on the otherhand, did nothing in the past to crackdown on Hamas, and then went on to elect them into power. We lost two buildings to cowardly terrorist activities, and the world saw our response in the form of governments in two countries being eliminated, their militaries decimated, and their land conquered and still occupied today. What do you think our response would be if we've been putting up with it for [I]40 years[/I]? After 9/11 we saw news reports that took cameras into Arabic classrooms. The children, 7-10 years old were drawing pictures of American buildings they want to blow up when they get older as a class project. Osama bin Laden is idolized. Hatred is taught from the time they are born, and sympathetic views towards America or Israel is a death sentence in some places. But no, I don't think [I]all[/I] palestinians are guilty... it's just hard to separate the two when the innocent have no voice. It becomes a leap of faith to say they exist. Your statement that Israel was "founded on terrorism" combined with the comparison of suicide bombers to freedom fighters suggests you believe the two are equal. That on some level, Palestinian terrorists are justified when they target kids or crowded marketplaces because they are fighting for freedom. I don't consider ANY group (palestinian or other) to be "innocent" if they feel targeting civilians to be a legitimate militaristic tactic. Going to save that for the next post... working on getting some pics together, scanned, uploaded etc... but my frozen pizza is ready so story time will have to wait for a few minutes.. maybe an hour, the pizza is pretty hot. :lol: [/QUOTE]
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