apwa : The unanswered questions
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Where is the credibility from the Teamsters? They tell you one thing, i.e. "best contract ever", and then immediately after the contract is ratified in 2002, big cuts start occurring. I keep hearing for years that the Teamsters are working to fix the pension problems, but it is just the same old rhetoric to appease the hard working UPS employees. The only thing that the Teamsters are improving, is the wages that the BA's are receiving ( www.unionfacts.com shows the salaries of Hoffa all the way down to your local agent). It is pretty sad when they just received a hefty 10% salary increase in one year, when we are forced to accept the cuts because of their mismanagement.
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't the Teamsters dragged our pension in CS down to the point where it can't be fixed? The pension is at a critical juncture, and that is why UPS in all likelihood buy us out of the pension fund.
705red
Browncafe Steward
There you go again E79, the teamsters are not the only one responsible! E how many years do you have in cs? You are aware in a likely hood that you will still be in the cs plan after ups buys you out of the cs plan. Ups will be paying off theie portion of the fund, will most likely starting a new plan for all involved in cs as of aug 1 08, i have not seen anywhere where ups will be paying for your cs vested years into the new pension. Please correct me if im wrong on this.
satellitedriver
Moderator
Red,
Have you seen anywhere that they will not?
SandBagger
Active Member
Buckethead wrote:
You go on believing you aren't part of our company (UPS) and you will soon find out exactly what Cole meant about a leopard not changing it's spots. Around 90 days prior to our contract time I'm betting you guys will be "indoctrinated" more fully into our scope of operations and prepared to assume our Feeder schedules if the need arises. You guys are the perfect "double-breasting" element already, just waiting to be mobilized.
The only thing separating us is the precise nature of the freight we haul and that difference is already being eroded slowly but surely. UPS Package Division is increasingly turning into a heavy freight operation separated primarily by the narrowly defined LTL and single package monikers. In case you are unaware, our hundredweight service (among others) has been stealing revenue from freight companies for years and building a customer base all the while. What would normally be palletized freight is broken down to single units, shipped and delivered, to the same consignee on normally the same day. This typically consists of what we call "irregs" or "hardware" and is run through our operation by a distinctly different process. You too will eventually be integrated as a group into the UPS business model, like it or not. Why even now, your drivers are being used to pick up empty trailers at UPS facilities. That shuttle work (as a matter of past practice) has traditionally been UPS Feeder work performed by bargaining unit employees. My understanding is that Teamsters says so long as the trailers are pulled outside the gates of the facility and dropped there is no issue if the UPS Freight guys pick them up there. That my friend is erroneous because it takes hours and hours of work away from the drivers who would normally deliver those empties to their destination. Matter of fact, if you analyze it more closely, what I just described is a "meet" exchange between UPS Feeders and UPS Freight for the purpose of advancing the progress of the empty container. Strange that Teamster Leaders don't agree however....maybe my logic is flawed!
Anyway, I think you are a bit short-sighted if you think all you guys have is two choices - Teamsters or nothing. I do agree however that if you decide not to be represented by APWA that their leadership should move on and leave you alone. Unfortunately sometimes (as is apparently the case in KC) the employer plays dirty pool and illegally infulences the outcome of the vote. Then of course there are other external factors working hard to skew the results as well...i.e. the Teamsters attack on APWA outside the KC walls when they didn't even have a place on the ballot. It really worries me when I see the Company and the Teamsters working so hard for the same outcome, and I hope you see the implications as well. At any rate, when something unlawful is done it neccessitates a legal challenge to prevent it from recurring. That is an unfortunate truth that KC employees will have to deal with however it is represented.
Either way, good luck to you guys in Freight and I hope whatever tack you choose works out for you! As time moves forward you're certainly gonna see exactly what kind of outfit you're really working for, and it ain't gonna make you do a Mexican hat dance! Well, maybe it will, but that's another story just now crossing the border and heading our way.....
You go on believing you aren't part of our company (UPS) and you will soon find out exactly what Cole meant about a leopard not changing it's spots. Around 90 days prior to our contract time I'm betting you guys will be "indoctrinated" more fully into our scope of operations and prepared to assume our Feeder schedules if the need arises. You guys are the perfect "double-breasting" element already, just waiting to be mobilized.
The only thing separating us is the precise nature of the freight we haul and that difference is already being eroded slowly but surely. UPS Package Division is increasingly turning into a heavy freight operation separated primarily by the narrowly defined LTL and single package monikers. In case you are unaware, our hundredweight service (among others) has been stealing revenue from freight companies for years and building a customer base all the while. What would normally be palletized freight is broken down to single units, shipped and delivered, to the same consignee on normally the same day. This typically consists of what we call "irregs" or "hardware" and is run through our operation by a distinctly different process. You too will eventually be integrated as a group into the UPS business model, like it or not. Why even now, your drivers are being used to pick up empty trailers at UPS facilities. That shuttle work (as a matter of past practice) has traditionally been UPS Feeder work performed by bargaining unit employees. My understanding is that Teamsters says so long as the trailers are pulled outside the gates of the facility and dropped there is no issue if the UPS Freight guys pick them up there. That my friend is erroneous because it takes hours and hours of work away from the drivers who would normally deliver those empties to their destination. Matter of fact, if you analyze it more closely, what I just described is a "meet" exchange between UPS Feeders and UPS Freight for the purpose of advancing the progress of the empty container. Strange that Teamster Leaders don't agree however....maybe my logic is flawed!
Anyway, I think you are a bit short-sighted if you think all you guys have is two choices - Teamsters or nothing. I do agree however that if you decide not to be represented by APWA that their leadership should move on and leave you alone. Unfortunately sometimes (as is apparently the case in KC) the employer plays dirty pool and illegally infulences the outcome of the vote. Then of course there are other external factors working hard to skew the results as well...i.e. the Teamsters attack on APWA outside the KC walls when they didn't even have a place on the ballot. It really worries me when I see the Company and the Teamsters working so hard for the same outcome, and I hope you see the implications as well. At any rate, when something unlawful is done it neccessitates a legal challenge to prevent it from recurring. That is an unfortunate truth that KC employees will have to deal with however it is represented.
Either way, good luck to you guys in Freight and I hope whatever tack you choose works out for you! As time moves forward you're certainly gonna see exactly what kind of outfit you're really working for, and it ain't gonna make you do a Mexican hat dance! Well, maybe it will, but that's another story just now crossing the border and heading our way.....
Buckethead
Well-Known Member
SB:
I flat refuse to take work away, or undermine any other employee's efforts especially those under contract.
SB:
SB:
Teamsters or Non-union. I prefer Teamsters. With out them where would you be? In the same situation I'm in, that's where.
Who is the one that's short sighted?
Are you saying that we will be utilized as scabs, I must be mistaken.
I flat refuse to take work away, or undermine any other employee's efforts especially those under contract.
SB:
This again, is what I consider taking work away from other employees. I will not do it knowingly. If there were more like me this would not even be an issue.
SB:
I did not say Teamsters or nothing, I said Teamsters or non-union. Do you think we are nothing if we vote non-union? I've had enough of your kind of thinking. I'm not collecting welfare, I'm not a burden on the system, I pay taxes, I work 5 days a week, earn a pay check, and I am non-union. I wouldn't call being non-union nothing.
Teamsters or Non-union. I prefer Teamsters. With out them where would you be? In the same situation I'm in, that's where.
Who is the one that's short sighted?
