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<blockquote data-quote="SandBagger" data-source="post: 233722" data-attributes="member: 11242"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Something else to consider:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Point one- UPS Brown is not just a bunch of illiterate truck drivers and box shufflers. From the many posts I have read on this site and others, I'd venture to say the same holds true over at UPS Freight as well. To assume there are no qualified people to step forward and direct/manage the APWA (should it reach fruition) from our ranks is a mistake that only the uneducated will make. You can bet UPS is sweating bullets over this because they know EXACTLY how many college degrees have been languishing in their sweatshops unused. You might also do well to recognize that the many blunders in the Locals are a result of inability to attract and retain true LEADERS because integrity is shunned and ability seen as threatening to the Teamster agenda. Ergo the "slate" elections where the incumbent (no matter how incompetent) always has the upper hand, provided of course one or two barns can be pacified or bull****ed into even voting.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/crying.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":crying:" title="Crying :crying:" data-shortname=":crying:" /></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Point two-Given the global economy and the looming financial crisis, (not to mention the 30 million invaders waiting outside the gates of every mega-corporation with their eye on your job) how much additional risk do you assume you are taking by gambling on something potentially better for the long run? As another poster already eluded to, how much power and might do the Teamsters really have anyway? Would a true powerhouse begin to negotiate a contract 2 years in advance (which screams "position of weakness"), or would they let Big Brown squirm for a year or so to gain leverage and momentum? No rookie answers to this please....you'll only embarass yourself!<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/w00t.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":w00t:" title="W00t :w00t:" data-shortname=":w00t:" /></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Point three-I've seen posts recently that suggest the entire freight industry will soon be consolidated into possibly three giant corporations. That may seem laughable on the surface, as more than one of you have thought or said. The problem is that the "suggestion" is not only possible, but chillingly probable. In 2005 the timetable was set in motion by President Bush and his co-conspirators in the Mexican and Canadian governments, whereby the formation of the "working groups" of the Security and Prosperity Partnership emerged. If you do your homework and Google around a little, you will find that official US government documents list UPS CEO Mike Eskew and the CEO of FedEx as leaders in the five man working group for the integration of transportation and trade for the coming North American Union. Strangely, the main push to buy up freight companies began around that time as I recall. Do you think maybe the big boys have a plan? Do you think you fit into that plan for the future? I don't! (See point two re: illegal invaders at the gates) We have but a few short years at best to work to strengthen our position, and I'm not banking everything on the Teamsters. After all, didn't I see Hoffa Jr. courting the illegal aliens on stage during the May Day Immigration Reform Protest last year? Maybe not, but I'm betting you will be looking that up too won't you?<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/mad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-shortname=":mad:" /></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Point four:If any of points one through three have given you pause, I suggest you spend less time on this forum bickering and get down to brass tacks. Time is short and you better be getting your priorities straight. I knew some Pilot freight retirees that thought they had their life in order until they "retired". Most of 'em are dead now, and they died while trying to find enough work in their old age to supplement their meager "pension" and keep the roof over their heads. I don't want to end up like that after thirty or more years of pension contributions....<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/confused1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" />1</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If I have to base my decision of who represents me on track record (like so many here seem to espouse), you can bet that not having a track record (APWA) is by far better than the proven one the Teamsters laid down at Big Brown! If the majority of UPSers stood up in the past to the Teamsters "bosses" we wouldn't be facing this dilemma today. Problem is that complacency and apathy are the building blocks that our current Union historically used to build and maintain it's core foundation, and if anyone wakes up out of their "protection money" mentality they are quickly minimized through ridicule or simply shown the door. If you doubt that analysis, scrutinize the TDU and the progress they have made over many, many years of resistance to tyranny. Working from the inside for change cannot succeed so long as your own money is used to resist you and silence you. Get the Big Picture! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Oh, and one more thing....Work on your Union terminology around here! A scab is someone who crosses a picket line and works in spite of an ongoing strike. The correct vernacular applying to Van and Danny (and a growing legion of others) is "FreeRider". If you gonna walk the walk, be able to talk the talk! That's the whole problem with being a Teamster, they only teach you what they want you to know, and allow you to say only what they want said! I'd say you are only insulting your own intelligence when you decree that these guys are deadbeats and thiefs after supporting the Teamsters with their dues money for over 50 years combined before giving up on a lost cause. If every state was right-to-work protected we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion today...<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/bored.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bored:" title="Bored :bored:" data-shortname=":bored:" /></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SandBagger, post: 233722, member: 11242"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Something else to consider:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Point one- UPS Brown is not just a bunch of illiterate truck drivers and box shufflers. From the many posts I have read on this site and others, I'd venture to say the same holds true over at UPS Freight as well. To assume there are no qualified people to step forward and direct/manage the APWA (should it reach fruition) from our ranks is a mistake that only the uneducated will make. You can bet UPS is sweating bullets over this because they know EXACTLY how many college degrees have been languishing in their sweatshops unused. You might also do well to recognize that the many blunders in the Locals are a result of inability to attract and retain true LEADERS because integrity is shunned and ability seen as threatening to the Teamster agenda. Ergo the "slate" elections where the incumbent (no matter how incompetent) always has the upper hand, provided of course one or two barns can be pacified or bull****ed into even voting.:crying:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Point two-Given the global economy and the looming financial crisis, (not to mention the 30 million invaders waiting outside the gates of every mega-corporation with their eye on your job) how much additional risk do you assume you are taking by gambling on something potentially better for the long run? As another poster already eluded to, how much power and might do the Teamsters really have anyway? Would a true powerhouse begin to negotiate a contract 2 years in advance (which screams "position of weakness"), or would they let Big Brown squirm for a year or so to gain leverage and momentum? No rookie answers to this please....you'll only embarass yourself!:w00t:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Point three-I've seen posts recently that suggest the entire freight industry will soon be consolidated into possibly three giant corporations. That may seem laughable on the surface, as more than one of you have thought or said. The problem is that the "suggestion" is not only possible, but chillingly probable. In 2005 the timetable was set in motion by President Bush and his co-conspirators in the Mexican and Canadian governments, whereby the formation of the "working groups" of the Security and Prosperity Partnership emerged. If you do your homework and Google around a little, you will find that official US government documents list UPS CEO Mike Eskew and the CEO of FedEx as leaders in the five man working group for the integration of transportation and trade for the coming North American Union. Strangely, the main push to buy up freight companies began around that time as I recall. Do you think maybe the big boys have a plan? Do you think you fit into that plan for the future? I don't! (See point two re: illegal invaders at the gates) We have but a few short years at best to work to strengthen our position, and I'm not banking everything on the Teamsters. After all, didn't I see Hoffa Jr. courting the illegal aliens on stage during the May Day Immigration Reform Protest last year? Maybe not, but I'm betting you will be looking that up too won't you?:mad:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Point four:If any of points one through three have given you pause, I suggest you spend less time on this forum bickering and get down to brass tacks. Time is short and you better be getting your priorities straight. I knew some Pilot freight retirees that thought they had their life in order until they "retired". Most of 'em are dead now, and they died while trying to find enough work in their old age to supplement their meager "pension" and keep the roof over their heads. I don't want to end up like that after thirty or more years of pension contributions....:confused1[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]If I have to base my decision of who represents me on track record (like so many here seem to espouse), you can bet that not having a track record (APWA) is by far better than the proven one the Teamsters laid down at Big Brown! If the majority of UPSers stood up in the past to the Teamsters "bosses" we wouldn't be facing this dilemma today. Problem is that complacency and apathy are the building blocks that our current Union historically used to build and maintain it's core foundation, and if anyone wakes up out of their "protection money" mentality they are quickly minimized through ridicule or simply shown the door. If you doubt that analysis, scrutinize the TDU and the progress they have made over many, many years of resistance to tyranny. Working from the inside for change cannot succeed so long as your own money is used to resist you and silence you. Get the Big Picture! :thumbup1:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Oh, and one more thing....Work on your Union terminology around here! A scab is someone who crosses a picket line and works in spite of an ongoing strike. The correct vernacular applying to Van and Danny (and a growing legion of others) is "FreeRider". If you gonna walk the walk, be able to talk the talk! That's the whole problem with being a Teamster, they only teach you what they want you to know, and allow you to say only what they want said! I'd say you are only insulting your own intelligence when you decree that these guys are deadbeats and thiefs after supporting the Teamsters with their dues money for over 50 years combined before giving up on a lost cause. If every state was right-to-work protected we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion today...:bored:[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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