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<blockquote data-quote="SandBagger" data-source="post: 234401" data-attributes="member: 11242"><p>Excellent observation Cole, and thanks for sharing it! Now let's narrow our focus for a minute and study your statement in further detail...</p><p> </p><p>It appears the Teamsters you refer to are Teamster leadership in reference to the gains made over the years in your hourly rate. I will remind you that the guys you elude to are merely a mouthpiece in negotiations, voicing the concerns of the rank and file ,which they collect prior to beginning the negotiations through local surveys of those contributing their input from the workplace. They then "negotiate" your position with UPS and report back to you what the company tells them to as negotiations wrap up. In case you are unaware of it, the company also has surveyed you (directly and indirectly) for up to a year prior to the end of your current contract and has a good sense of exactly what leverage to apply and when to manipulate you into accepting their offer. They of course are also all the while gauging current economic conditions and movement by their competitors, as well as public sentiment. Bottom line is, when the "offer" gets to you it is your (the member) choice as to how you will react. It is you who cast the strike vote (regardless of how the Union reccommends you vote), and it is you who walk off the job and risk your livelihood. Don't give too much credit to the union leadership for what you have today. I can tell you in great detail how you came to have it and how it was "earned", and it wasn't by the miserable support or the few capitalized photo ops on the picket line by the Local Executive Board members and BAs. It was the rank and file who stood up to Big Brown outside the gates, and I'm not talking about the 30-40% who simply stayed home during the last strike. I'm talking about the men and women who stood toe-to-toe against the management, the cops, the scabs, and the elements. Where I was, it wasn't the leadership out there day and night!</p><p> </p><p>I think you should have already figured out I'm not anti-union, just anti-Teamster....</p><p> </p><p>Yes, I too imagine the current contract would be the model to be worked from should the APWA fully materialize. It would be illogical to assume otherwise. Again, I remind you...That contract language originated from the concerns of the rank and file, and if anything it was diluted and polluted by the "negotiators" before it was brought back to the membership for a vote. Do you think the "gray areas" which permiate each successive agreement like swiss cheese are an accident? If so isn't that calling the "negotiators" at best incompetent? I assure you when the rank and file submitted the "proposals" there were no gray areas. Now how much credit are you willing to give? Disregard the Teamsters for their negotiating skills? Heck no!!! I want to give credit whre credit is due! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/w00t.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":w00t:" title="W00t :w00t:" data-shortname=":w00t:" /></p><p> </p><p>I also agree that the root of the problem lies in the irresponsibility of the membership. Like I said before, It's a "protection money mentality", and the IBT has never (during my career anyway) done anything to discourage that line of thinking. As a matter of fact complacency is exactly what they cultivate, and so long as people simply send money and stay away from the day to day activities of the union why would one reasonably expect to have to actually do something for that money, eh? </p><p> </p><p>Psychic BA's <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/laugh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":laugh:" title="Laugh :laugh:" data-shortname=":laugh:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> Now there's a good one....Most of the time you can't see them or get them on the phone long enough to see if they even speak English!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SandBagger, post: 234401, member: 11242"] Excellent observation Cole, and thanks for sharing it! Now let's narrow our focus for a minute and study your statement in further detail... It appears the Teamsters you refer to are Teamster leadership in reference to the gains made over the years in your hourly rate. I will remind you that the guys you elude to are merely a mouthpiece in negotiations, voicing the concerns of the rank and file ,which they collect prior to beginning the negotiations through local surveys of those contributing their input from the workplace. They then "negotiate" your position with UPS and report back to you what the company tells them to as negotiations wrap up. In case you are unaware of it, the company also has surveyed you (directly and indirectly) for up to a year prior to the end of your current contract and has a good sense of exactly what leverage to apply and when to manipulate you into accepting their offer. They of course are also all the while gauging current economic conditions and movement by their competitors, as well as public sentiment. Bottom line is, when the "offer" gets to you it is your (the member) choice as to how you will react. It is you who cast the strike vote (regardless of how the Union reccommends you vote), and it is you who walk off the job and risk your livelihood. Don't give too much credit to the union leadership for what you have today. I can tell you in great detail how you came to have it and how it was "earned", and it wasn't by the miserable support or the few capitalized photo ops on the picket line by the Local Executive Board members and BAs. It was the rank and file who stood up to Big Brown outside the gates, and I'm not talking about the 30-40% who simply stayed home during the last strike. I'm talking about the men and women who stood toe-to-toe against the management, the cops, the scabs, and the elements. Where I was, it wasn't the leadership out there day and night! I think you should have already figured out I'm not anti-union, just anti-Teamster.... Yes, I too imagine the current contract would be the model to be worked from should the APWA fully materialize. It would be illogical to assume otherwise. Again, I remind you...That contract language originated from the concerns of the rank and file, and if anything it was diluted and polluted by the "negotiators" before it was brought back to the membership for a vote. Do you think the "gray areas" which permiate each successive agreement like swiss cheese are an accident? If so isn't that calling the "negotiators" at best incompetent? I assure you when the rank and file submitted the "proposals" there were no gray areas. Now how much credit are you willing to give? Disregard the Teamsters for their negotiating skills? Heck no!!! I want to give credit whre credit is due! :w00t: I also agree that the root of the problem lies in the irresponsibility of the membership. Like I said before, It's a "protection money mentality", and the IBT has never (during my career anyway) done anything to discourage that line of thinking. As a matter of fact complacency is exactly what they cultivate, and so long as people simply send money and stay away from the day to day activities of the union why would one reasonably expect to have to actually do something for that money, eh? Psychic BA's :laugh::lol: Now there's a good one....Most of the time you can't see them or get them on the phone long enough to see if they even speak English! [/QUOTE]
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