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<blockquote data-quote="Ironshot" data-source="post: 142556" data-attributes="member: 6881"><p>Buckethead,</p><p> </p><p> The way the constitution and bylaws are written are vastly different from</p><p>the IBT's. (I am in the process of looking/viewing/ at the details currently) Now, if you are into the horse and buggie scene you most likely won't bother examining how the organizations structure can prevent the problems we see with the IBT today. Just a quick example: Dues, Hoffa said; no "Dues Increase" during the mid to late nineties at the Las Vegas meeting. A few years later <strong>he</strong> changed <strong>his</strong> mind and raised them. Doubled.</p><p>With the APWA; the rank and file has to vote on the issue with a 66 percent yes vote to raise the basic dues of $34 (There is a 6 mos. startup rate of $68 after the first sixs mos. then they return to the $34 rate.) The language also calls for a small percentage increase as you get raises. I don't have the number immediately available for you. With this you can see the detail and structure put into just one issue. The rank and file can also "impeach" a official, ending the term of said official prior to the term ending. No official can be a felon, hold more then one paid position. No political donations can be made to the political process period.</p><p>See, there is more to it, then what the IBT Kool aid pushers tell you.</p><p>Nothing is easy that is worth having, I expect the horse and buggie crowd to resort to their typical M.O. If the APWA gets in. Solid objects being missed placed from overpasses and "somebody" somewhere accidentally discharging a gun at a passing vehicle. Just like we experienced last time</p><p>we had another view point. </p><p></p><p>It was an "analogy". I also never called "you" foolish, I said; it would be foolish. (As in behavior.) </p><p></p><p> I do know what is going to happen. There will be no IBT in the Overnite</p><p>facilities in any large percentage. We have three hundred plus at this facility and you have less then 40 loyal, doesn't matter, why, who, what and when teamster supporters. Many of which didn't have the balls to walk the line in the late 90's either. It'll be union free or the APWA. </p><p> </p><p> I'm in the process of getting some Pension related reports, will give details when I have read them. </p><p> As far as asking nospin, t251... The articles view point is considered, I'll even check the author out sometimes. I form a position after collecting as much as I possibly can. Neither mentioned above can provide information that I'd consider 100 percent accurate they are people so more imput is always good. You get the point.</p><p></p><p> The 30 and out is (was) Parcel. But, it was the SAME bunch you want now. Something isn't going well in teamster land. </p><p>Why, don't the teamsters get world class medical? I explained why in the post previous to the "becareful out there" post. </p><p></p><p> We must be getting the salvaged dollies, these aren't "like" the current UPSF silvereagle. </p><p> </p><p>Might be waived? At least you acknowledged the similiar fee as the one you made sound as if it was exclusive to the APWA. Ask for it in writing on Teamster letter head. Watch the reaction you get from the local's president. </p><p></p><p>The pension funding will be (parcel side) in the $214 per week ball park. (note: there may be differences by region due to the contract) UPS is paying it now. Why would it say it wasn't able to pay the same to a APWA contract? If more was asked for; you could see a pause perhaps? Again, UPS for UPSers only makes it a lot more lucrative for the Parcel side. </p><p>Why has the retirement been pushed to 62? The answer isn't 'cause we love you. When they the IBT push retirement to 65 or further I hope you</p><p>think again. The pension reform law passed this year starts the Pension</p><p>funding clock this JAN. 07. The clock will tick for seven years, at which time the pensions (all) will need to be at 90%. IF they are not, then there is a shorter period of time to get the funds from the "contributing" companies. When the Co's can't come up with the cash. They'll close the doors. This is just a brief picture of the future for the IBT. <strong>One also should</strong> <strong>consider why was this needed to be made law?</strong> Perhaps the government doesn't want to be holding the bag for this version of Social Security also. More cuts will come as IBT membership stays flat or falls. As history tells it, it'll fall farther.</p><p></p><p>Now some of this I've covered more then once for you. If you can't/won't</p><p>or otherwise don't wish to look into/at the chasm on your side ok fine. </p><p>You started this write off with the comments that the APWA was a mickey mouse organization. I am pointing out that you are ill informed. I'll be singing the mouse's song. While you in the near future get saddled and ridden your way. </p><p>Visit the TDU's website do some reading, the TDU is standing in the crap you wish to jump into. Again Why? is the TDU here if there aren't serious problems? Then ponder why hasn't such a group "working from within" been more effective bringing the IBT ship back on course? Answer:the IBT isn't controlled by the membership! The IBT controls the membership. And the next question should be why was the APWA formed by ex teamsters working for the mother of all companies? </p><p>Buckethead, Thanks for the posts, I've enjoyed it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ironshot, post: 142556, member: 6881"] Buckethead, The way the constitution and bylaws are written are vastly different from the IBT's. (I am in the process of looking/viewing/ at the details currently) Now, if you are into the horse and buggie scene you most likely won't bother examining how the organizations structure can prevent the problems we see with the IBT today. Just a quick example: Dues, Hoffa said; no "Dues Increase" during the mid to late nineties at the Las Vegas meeting. A few years later [B]he[/B] changed [B]his[/B] mind and raised them. Doubled. With the APWA; the rank and file has to vote on the issue with a 66 percent yes vote to raise the basic dues of $34 (There is a 6 mos. startup rate of $68 after the first sixs mos. then they return to the $34 rate.) The language also calls for a small percentage increase as you get raises. I don't have the number immediately available for you. With this you can see the detail and structure put into just one issue. The rank and file can also "impeach" a official, ending the term of said official prior to the term ending. No official can be a felon, hold more then one paid position. No political donations can be made to the political process period. See, there is more to it, then what the IBT Kool aid pushers tell you. Nothing is easy that is worth having, I expect the horse and buggie crowd to resort to their typical M.O. If the APWA gets in. Solid objects being missed placed from overpasses and "somebody" somewhere accidentally discharging a gun at a passing vehicle. Just like we experienced last time we had another view point. It was an "analogy". I also never called "you" foolish, I said; it would be foolish. (As in behavior.) I do know what is going to happen. There will be no IBT in the Overnite facilities in any large percentage. We have three hundred plus at this facility and you have less then 40 loyal, doesn't matter, why, who, what and when teamster supporters. Many of which didn't have the balls to walk the line in the late 90's either. It'll be union free or the APWA. I'm in the process of getting some Pension related reports, will give details when I have read them. As far as asking nospin, t251... The articles view point is considered, I'll even check the author out sometimes. I form a position after collecting as much as I possibly can. Neither mentioned above can provide information that I'd consider 100 percent accurate they are people so more imput is always good. You get the point. The 30 and out is (was) Parcel. But, it was the SAME bunch you want now. Something isn't going well in teamster land. Why, don't the teamsters get world class medical? I explained why in the post previous to the "becareful out there" post. We must be getting the salvaged dollies, these aren't "like" the current UPSF silvereagle. Might be waived? At least you acknowledged the similiar fee as the one you made sound as if it was exclusive to the APWA. Ask for it in writing on Teamster letter head. Watch the reaction you get from the local's president. The pension funding will be (parcel side) in the $214 per week ball park. (note: there may be differences by region due to the contract) UPS is paying it now. Why would it say it wasn't able to pay the same to a APWA contract? If more was asked for; you could see a pause perhaps? Again, UPS for UPSers only makes it a lot more lucrative for the Parcel side. Why has the retirement been pushed to 62? The answer isn't 'cause we love you. When they the IBT push retirement to 65 or further I hope you think again. The pension reform law passed this year starts the Pension funding clock this JAN. 07. The clock will tick for seven years, at which time the pensions (all) will need to be at 90%. IF they are not, then there is a shorter period of time to get the funds from the "contributing" companies. When the Co's can't come up with the cash. They'll close the doors. This is just a brief picture of the future for the IBT. [B]One also should[/B] [B]consider why was this needed to be made law?[/B] Perhaps the government doesn't want to be holding the bag for this version of Social Security also. More cuts will come as IBT membership stays flat or falls. As history tells it, it'll fall farther. Now some of this I've covered more then once for you. If you can't/won't or otherwise don't wish to look into/at the chasm on your side ok fine. You started this write off with the comments that the APWA was a mickey mouse organization. I am pointing out that you are ill informed. I'll be singing the mouse's song. While you in the near future get saddled and ridden your way. Visit the TDU's website do some reading, the TDU is standing in the crap you wish to jump into. Again Why? is the TDU here if there aren't serious problems? Then ponder why hasn't such a group "working from within" been more effective bringing the IBT ship back on course? Answer:the IBT isn't controlled by the membership! The IBT controls the membership. And the next question should be why was the APWA formed by ex teamsters working for the mother of all companies? Buckethead, Thanks for the posts, I've enjoyed it. [/QUOTE]
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