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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 83324" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>No argument from me. I've always questioned the fact that the IBT also represented what in effect was the competition along with us and in that respect how could they truly go in and fight for our true best interest as UPSers. I also believe you have to walk into this thing with "EYES WIDE OPEN" as UPS is a business and the interest of the business and the interest of the employee are not always the same thing. This is not a UPS only deal as it's anywhere you go you'll find this. </p><p> </p><p>In some of the craft trades they have in effect what is a "no-strike" clause because if a contract comes to an impass, all the books get thrown wide open and an independent arbitrator decides how everything gets settled and both parties are bound by it. I often wonder what UPS would give up for a situation like that because in turn they could pull a huge advantage away from the competition? Nice Fat Secure Pension with early outs? Nice pay increases? And I say that in the belief that the current contract has nice pay increases considering the situation at the time the contract was agreed. (Nobody foresaw what oil has done.) Very clear and definite language in the contract on employee relations and management adherence to the contract language with very strict economic processes for violations? What else might they give up for that no strike Holy Grail? </p><p> </p><p>Majority of UPSers, both hourly and management work and play nice together. It's a small minority in both camps that make life horrible for the rest. Maybe we should have contract language that when these people surface we can take them immediately out and boot them from our lives!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p> </p><p>Do that and 99.99999999% of all the problems would disappear.</p><p>JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 83324, member: 2189"] No argument from me. I've always questioned the fact that the IBT also represented what in effect was the competition along with us and in that respect how could they truly go in and fight for our true best interest as UPSers. I also believe you have to walk into this thing with "EYES WIDE OPEN" as UPS is a business and the interest of the business and the interest of the employee are not always the same thing. This is not a UPS only deal as it's anywhere you go you'll find this. In some of the craft trades they have in effect what is a "no-strike" clause because if a contract comes to an impass, all the books get thrown wide open and an independent arbitrator decides how everything gets settled and both parties are bound by it. I often wonder what UPS would give up for a situation like that because in turn they could pull a huge advantage away from the competition? Nice Fat Secure Pension with early outs? Nice pay increases? And I say that in the belief that the current contract has nice pay increases considering the situation at the time the contract was agreed. (Nobody foresaw what oil has done.) Very clear and definite language in the contract on employee relations and management adherence to the contract language with very strict economic processes for violations? What else might they give up for that no strike Holy Grail? Majority of UPSers, both hourly and management work and play nice together. It's a small minority in both camps that make life horrible for the rest. Maybe we should have contract language that when these people surface we can take them immediately out and boot them from our lives! :lol: Do that and 99.99999999% of all the problems would disappear. JMO. [/QUOTE]
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