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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 84093" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Well said Dboy! Very well said. </p><p> </p><p>It's funny that this whole recert. process has been discussed here before long time ago and the regulars who took part already knew what nospin said. However on the same turn, nospin in that and another post to wiley is having to "after the fact" go find proof to back what he sez. Not smart Nospin! Also Nospin, most of us here don't live and breath and think like "Big Union IDIOT" that the union concieved us, gave us life and all it's goodness and will probably be the one to grant us heaven when we die if we find ourselves in position for such a thing. You are preaching to a listening audience but you better have the facts as well. All this stuff you been saying we've been through, several times, so get your ducks in a row. The $7 per month pension is not for all current UPSers as in order to achieve it you'll have to put in the 30 years as well. Oh and were you going to tell us APWA has a plan to work with UPS to buy out of CS over a 2 year period by delaying pay increases to raise the funds to do this and achieve transfer of all CS credits to the new APWA pension? Please don't bother. I've spoken with Mr. Silkman personally on this issue as it was thrown around here sometime ago and other than a topic of discussion, it is not a viable plan on the APWA frontburner at all. The vast majority of us will never see $7k per month because we'll never work for UPS that long to achieve it.</p><p> </p><p>Now to "BIG UNION IDIOT". I call you that because only an "IDIOT" would call the IBT the "BEST UNION" (your words). You just blew every bit of credibility you might have had when you posted those words. You are probably some freight dock worker who spends his shift burning up propane on a forklift instead of pounding the ground like UPSers and then he wants us to bust our <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" /> to make sure he has the good life at the end. He and the union leadership have a lot in common don't they? Go back to Teamster Net you parasite and take No spin with ya. </p><p> </p><p>Pensions are a dinosaur on it's deathbed. The vehicles of 401k and IRA's (for better or worse) will and are replacing pensions across the board in America. UPSers are looking at 2 realities IMO right now. The first reality is that we, not UPS, but we paid in a lot of money to a plan that promised us a good retirement and now we are learning that not only the promise of a good retirement really isn't true but that the retirement itself stands a chance of not being there when we need it. The 2nd reality is that even though the $7k per month is not a realistic number, the amount of money we pay in as individual UPSers if pulled together into a UPS only situation would have no trouble in not only paying us what was at one time paid out to retirees but likely could pay us a little more. Also using the current management plan as a model (again good and bad applies), you retire and you can do anything you choose from not working to working anywhere, doing anything you want. All the company needs from you is the address you want the check mailed to. Unlike the company, the union requires you to fill out a form prior to getting your pension that grants them the power to check your income tax info with IRS so they can verify you aren't violating the retirement work rules. Hell, I'm shocked they haven't made union dues mandatory for retirees too! Oh give it time. It's like Hotel California "You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave!"</p><p> </p><p>Whether APWA is the answer or not, who knows. Yeah it has it's warts too. The one thing I can say is that from the appearance of Hoffa, TDU and their fello soldiers appearing just to carry the IBT water I can say APWA has them all very nervous. GREAT! EXCELLENT! OUTSTANDING! For that alone we should keep up the heat with the APWA, UPS only union idea. It's time we put some pressure on the IBT with the threat of leaving because nothing else has seemed to work in any way. </p><p> </p><p>To take a little liberty with the immortal words of JFK, "Ask not what you can do for the union but what you could have if we (UPSers) were our own union!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 84093, member: 2189"] Well said Dboy! Very well said. It's funny that this whole recert. process has been discussed here before long time ago and the regulars who took part already knew what nospin said. However on the same turn, nospin in that and another post to wiley is having to "after the fact" go find proof to back what he sez. Not smart Nospin! Also Nospin, most of us here don't live and breath and think like "Big Union IDIOT" that the union concieved us, gave us life and all it's goodness and will probably be the one to grant us heaven when we die if we find ourselves in position for such a thing. You are preaching to a listening audience but you better have the facts as well. All this stuff you been saying we've been through, several times, so get your ducks in a row. The $7 per month pension is not for all current UPSers as in order to achieve it you'll have to put in the 30 years as well. Oh and were you going to tell us APWA has a plan to work with UPS to buy out of CS over a 2 year period by delaying pay increases to raise the funds to do this and achieve transfer of all CS credits to the new APWA pension? Please don't bother. I've spoken with Mr. Silkman personally on this issue as it was thrown around here sometime ago and other than a topic of discussion, it is not a viable plan on the APWA frontburner at all. The vast majority of us will never see $7k per month because we'll never work for UPS that long to achieve it. Now to "BIG UNION IDIOT". I call you that because only an "IDIOT" would call the IBT the "BEST UNION" (your words). You just blew every bit of credibility you might have had when you posted those words. You are probably some freight dock worker who spends his shift burning up propane on a forklift instead of pounding the ground like UPSers and then he wants us to bust our :censored: to make sure he has the good life at the end. He and the union leadership have a lot in common don't they? Go back to Teamster Net you parasite and take No spin with ya. Pensions are a dinosaur on it's deathbed. The vehicles of 401k and IRA's (for better or worse) will and are replacing pensions across the board in America. UPSers are looking at 2 realities IMO right now. The first reality is that we, not UPS, but we paid in a lot of money to a plan that promised us a good retirement and now we are learning that not only the promise of a good retirement really isn't true but that the retirement itself stands a chance of not being there when we need it. The 2nd reality is that even though the $7k per month is not a realistic number, the amount of money we pay in as individual UPSers if pulled together into a UPS only situation would have no trouble in not only paying us what was at one time paid out to retirees but likely could pay us a little more. Also using the current management plan as a model (again good and bad applies), you retire and you can do anything you choose from not working to working anywhere, doing anything you want. All the company needs from you is the address you want the check mailed to. Unlike the company, the union requires you to fill out a form prior to getting your pension that grants them the power to check your income tax info with IRS so they can verify you aren't violating the retirement work rules. Hell, I'm shocked they haven't made union dues mandatory for retirees too! Oh give it time. It's like Hotel California "You can checkout anytime you like but you can never leave!" Whether APWA is the answer or not, who knows. Yeah it has it's warts too. The one thing I can say is that from the appearance of Hoffa, TDU and their fello soldiers appearing just to carry the IBT water I can say APWA has them all very nervous. GREAT! EXCELLENT! OUTSTANDING! For that alone we should keep up the heat with the APWA, UPS only union idea. It's time we put some pressure on the IBT with the threat of leaving because nothing else has seemed to work in any way. To take a little liberty with the immortal words of JFK, "Ask not what you can do for the union but what you could have if we (UPSers) were our own union!" [/QUOTE]
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