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<blockquote data-quote="nospinzone" data-source="post: 84114" data-attributes="member: 1335"><p>Mac,</p><p></p><p>Just a general response to your viewpoint as I understand it. I think this statement from your post sums it up: <em>"Whether APWA is the answer or not, who knows. Yeah it has it's warts too"</em>. And I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head. I just believe that APWA has fewer warts.</p><p></p><p>As for your words <em>"However on the same turn, nospin in that and another post to wiley is having to "after the fact" go find proof to back what he sez. Not smart Nospin"</em>. Ive known the facts about recert for over a year now. Ive had this discussion before also on T-NET, but I dont carry a complete copy of the National Labor Relations Act in my back pocket. Therefore when BUG made false statements, it was necessary to squash his lies with <strong>FACTS</strong> and not my opinion. If someone doesnt, then unfortunately there are others on this board who might believe his words. As for my statement to Wiley, he asked a question:</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I intend to give him a straight forward answer....without the sugar coating, and I want to back up my answer with verifiable sources if possible. </p><p></p><p>Mac, I can respect your opinion because it is cautious, intelligent skepticism. Your comment on 401ks and IRAs replacing pensions is accurate. Thats a transition that NEEDS to take place. For the UPS employee, maybe APWA is a vehicle that could move us in that direction. Here's an original idea from me. Ive never discussed this one with Skillman cause I just <em>thunk it up</em> after reading your comment. With the APWA in place, membership could, if they wanted, to slowly direct its employer contributions to an individual 401k. It would have to be a gradual transition, but in the end the 401k would provide more security than a pension. But your summation is accurate.....we just have to figure out who has the least amount of warts.</p><p></p><p>nospin<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/cool.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nospinzone, post: 84114, member: 1335"] Mac, Just a general response to your viewpoint as I understand it. I think this statement from your post sums it up: [I]"Whether APWA is the answer or not, who knows. Yeah it has it's warts too"[/I]. And I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head. I just believe that APWA has fewer warts. As for your words [I]"However on the same turn, nospin in that and another post to wiley is having to "after the fact" go find proof to back what he sez. Not smart Nospin"[/I]. Ive known the facts about recert for over a year now. Ive had this discussion before also on T-NET, but I dont carry a complete copy of the National Labor Relations Act in my back pocket. Therefore when BUG made false statements, it was necessary to squash his lies with [B]FACTS[/B] and not my opinion. If someone doesnt, then unfortunately there are others on this board who might believe his words. As for my statement to Wiley, he asked a question: And I intend to give him a straight forward answer....without the sugar coating, and I want to back up my answer with verifiable sources if possible. Mac, I can respect your opinion because it is cautious, intelligent skepticism. Your comment on 401ks and IRAs replacing pensions is accurate. Thats a transition that NEEDS to take place. For the UPS employee, maybe APWA is a vehicle that could move us in that direction. Here's an original idea from me. Ive never discussed this one with Skillman cause I just [I]thunk it up[/I] after reading your comment. With the APWA in place, membership could, if they wanted, to slowly direct its employer contributions to an individual 401k. It would have to be a gradual transition, but in the end the 401k would provide more security than a pension. But your summation is accurate.....we just have to figure out who has the least amount of warts. nospin:cool: [/QUOTE]
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