Atheists

804brown

Well-Known Member
This country was founded on Christian Values and our laws more or less are based on the 10 commandments!! we should NOT change America for those of other religions, cults ,beliefs or what ever ..
If you don't like or agree with the majority,or the values, move out and see what freedoms you will enjoy elsewhere. As far as God goes,I believe and also think He does things for a reason,testing our fortitude,and if we live a good life as promised in the Good Book,and as promised by Him,we will go to a better place !!

WOW, talk about a cult.

Our founding fathers were skeptical men of the enlightenment who questioned every received idea they had been taught. Our country was not founded on "christian" principles. A matter of fact the architects of the constitution and the bill of rights worked to keep religion entirely out of the legal framework. That is why there is no reference to god in the constitution and the only time religion is mentioned is in ensuring the absence of religion in government ("no religious test...").
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
WOW, talk about a cult.

Our founding fathers were skeptical men of the enlightenment who questioned every received idea they had been taught. Our country was not founded on "christian" principles. A matter of fact the architects of the constitution and the bill of rights worked to keep religion entirely out of the legal framework. That is why there is no reference to god in the constitution and the only time religion is mentioned is in ensuring the absence of religion in government ("no religious test...").
..."endowed by our Creator....." ?????????? Unless you think that's Orson, it's probably God.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
True story :
Today , I got asked, (from a new immigrant from India and a Buddist), why we celebrate Easter , and what the occasion was (back then) in our Christian Belief.

I simple told him, that's when Jesus woke up from the dead. Like a Zombie, basically.

I hope I was close enough with my explaination.
Close enough for the Beavis & Butthead show.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Odd you should post this. In fact, the pilgrims ides of religious persecution was that they were not allowed to tell others how to live...kind of like certain groups not wanting to abide by the law of the land.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
804,

That is your interpretation. Creator, Lord etc etc --no religious reference ???

This sums it up pretty well:

Despite the secular nature of our national government, there is one unambiguous reference to Christ in the Constitution. Article VII dates the Constitution in "the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven." But what does this mean for the principle of religious liberty? The answer is: nothing. Our dating system is an historical artifact of Western culture, and has no legal significance or implications for the meaning of the Constitution or the First Amendment. The American Colonies were established by Europeans; we naturally inherited the European practice of dating years from the birth of Christ. Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.
In fact, the European dating system is infused with pagan holdovers that, if taken seriously, lead to exactly the opposite conclusions reached by accommodationists. We have a seven day week, after the model of ancient Israel, but we inherited Pagan names for these days; does the Constitution then establish Sun worship when it excepts Sunday from the ten days Presidents have to veto a bill before it becomes law? Does it establish worship of the Moon when it says that Congress will begin it's sessions on the first Monday of December? Does the use of European names for months mean that the Constitution establishes worship of Julius Caesar (July) or Augustus Caesar (August)? The issue was a serious one for some Christians; Quakers, for example, adopted numerical references for days and months precisely to avoid objectionable Pagan names. The rejection of the Quaker system suggests that the founders read very little into their dating practices. To base an argument on those practices is to stand on extraordinarily shaky ground.
To be sure, the Constitution could have avoided the words "Year of our Lord" in the date (as it does elsewhere when it refers to specific years), but it's hard to imagine why. "The Year of our Lord" was the standard way of dating important documents in the 1700s; its use was ritualistic, not religious. It is doubtful that anyone, Christian, deist, or otherwise, would have given the words a second thought, or ascribed to them any legal significance. And if the intent of the Constitution was to signal a favored status for Christianity, it could have done so in a thousand less ambiguous ways than including the words "in the Year of our Lord." That some accommodationists appeal to these words is silent testimony to how little evidence there is for the idea that the Constitution embodies Christian morality or thought.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
You said this...."...kind of like certain groups not wanting to abide by the law of the land. "

Not abiding by the law of the land made me think of the prez. and the Dems.
If you understood the history of the Puritans in England, you would see why my comment is germain and yours is incongruous and representative of the fact that you really are blinded by your hatred of the president.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
This country was founded on Christian Values and our laws more or less are based on the 10 commandments!! we should NOT change America for those of other religions, cults ,beliefs or what ever ..
If you don't like or agree with the majority,or the values, move out and see what freedoms you will enjoy elsewhere. As far as God goes,I believe and also think He does things for a reason,testing our fortitude,and if we live a good life as promised in the Good Book,and as promised by Him,we will go to a better place !!

Which 10 Commandments, Exodus Chapter 20 (10 Commandments Version 1) of Exodus Chapter 34 (10 Commandments Version 2)? Being Version 2 were the last given to us by Yahweh via Moses, the Exodus Chapter 34 10 Commandments are the most authoritative if you want to get technical.
 
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pickup

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I grew up attending a church that did not recognize the celebration of Christ's birth. .


Other than a non christian church, I would say that church you attended was one affiliated with the Jehovah's witnesses. I don't mean to pry, but that statement pretty much said it all.
 
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