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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 1827209" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p>theres never been any huge scale pure capitalist system. government has always been involved. but i agree that the system doesnt resemble capitalism, although when you show up to work, and you are told all these ridiculous things and what to do by a capitalist, that is capitalism.</p><p></p><p>things would probably be worse if government werent involved. so for example government is not involved in planning vacations in america; it is left to negotiation between the worker and employer. so guess what, workers in america takes less vacation, then in the developed countries where the government regulates vacation time.</p><p></p><p>you could also look at all the jobs that pay minimum wage. theres nothing stopping them from paying more than min wage. but if you didnt have min wage, you can bet ur ass they would be paying less.</p><p></p><p>im not saying all regulations are good or bad, its a mix of both. i think saying all reguations are bad is an absurd argument, and none of the guys i listen to agree with that statement.</p><p></p><p>and capitalism IS the problem, because workers have NO say over their supervisors or managers. a democratic economic system would have workers voting in or out managers. </p><p></p><p>but most people only demand political democracy (which was a radical idea a few hundred years ago). not economic democracy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 1827209, member: 56035"] theres never been any huge scale pure capitalist system. government has always been involved. but i agree that the system doesnt resemble capitalism, although when you show up to work, and you are told all these ridiculous things and what to do by a capitalist, that is capitalism. things would probably be worse if government werent involved. so for example government is not involved in planning vacations in america; it is left to negotiation between the worker and employer. so guess what, workers in america takes less vacation, then in the developed countries where the government regulates vacation time. you could also look at all the jobs that pay minimum wage. theres nothing stopping them from paying more than min wage. but if you didnt have min wage, you can bet ur ass they would be paying less. im not saying all regulations are good or bad, its a mix of both. i think saying all reguations are bad is an absurd argument, and none of the guys i listen to agree with that statement. and capitalism IS the problem, because workers have NO say over their supervisors or managers. a democratic economic system would have workers voting in or out managers. but most people only demand political democracy (which was a radical idea a few hundred years ago). not economic democracy. [/QUOTE]
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