BBC News: What happened to global warming?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by brett636, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Is carbon taxes along with cap and trade really necessary considering what is stated in this article?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

    What happened to global warming?


    By Paul Hudson
    Climate correspondent, BBC News
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    Average temperatures have not increased for over a decade

    This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.
    But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.
    And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.
    So what on Earth is going on?
    Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man's influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming.
    They argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is. But what is the evidence for this?
    During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly.

    Recent research has ruled out solar influences on temperature increases

    Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun.
    But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences.
    The scientists' main approach was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature.
    And the results were clear. "Warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
    But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees.
    He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures.
    He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month.
    If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject.
    Ocean cycles
    What is really interesting at the moment is what is happening to our oceans. They are the Earth's great heat stores.


    According to research conducted by Professor Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University last November, the oceans and global temperatures are correlated.
    The oceans, he says, have a cycle in which they warm and cool cyclically. The most important one is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO).
    For much of the 1980s and 1990s, it was in a positive cycle, that means warmer than average. And observations have revealed that global temperatures were warm too.
    But in the last few years it has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down.
    These cycles in the past have lasted for nearly 30 years.
    So could global temperatures follow? The global cooling from 1945 to 1977 coincided with one of these cold Pacific cycles.
    Professor Easterbrook says: "The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling."
    So what does it all mean? Climate change sceptics argue that this is evidence that they have been right all along.
    They say there are so many other natural causes for warming and cooling, that even if man is warming the planet, it is a small part compared with nature.
    But those scientists who are equally passionate about man's influence on global warming argue that their science is solid.
    The UK Met Office's Hadley Centre, responsible for future climate predictions, says it incorporates solar variation and ocean cycles into its climate models, and that they are nothing new.
    In fact, the centre says they are just two of the whole host of known factors that influence global temperatures - all of which are accounted for by its models.
    In addition, say Met Office scientists, temperatures have never increased in a straight line, and there will always be periods of slower warming, or even temporary cooling.
    What is crucial, they say, is the long-term trend in global temperatures. And that, according to the Met office data, is clearly up.
    To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

    The UK Met Office says that warming is set to resume


    Professor Latif is based at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University in Germany and is one of the world's top climate modellers.
    But he makes it clear that he has not become a sceptic; he believes that this cooling will be temporary, before the overwhelming force of man-made global warming reasserts itself.
    So what can we expect in the next few years?
    Both sides have very different forecasts. The Met Office says that warming is set to resume quickly and strongly.
    It predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998).
    Sceptics disagree. They insist it is unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of 1998 until 2030 at the earliest. It is possible, they say, that because of ocean and solar cycles a period of global cooling is more likely.
    One thing is for sure. It seems the debate about what is causing global warming is far from over. Indeed some would say it is hotting up.
     
  2. JimJimmyJames

    JimJimmyJames Big Time Feeder Driver

    So maybe we could forgo taxing people of what will be trillions of dollars to fight something that we probably don't have much control over anyways.

    But that would make too much sense and would not give government the control they so greedily desire.
     
  3. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member

    :dissapointed:Goldman Sachs and General electric are poised to make BILLIONS off cap and trade ----who cares what the temperatures are !!!
    Gore has made 100 million on Global warming -- of course Dems are never in bed with big business or special interests groups!! Obama has told us that all of that has changed ----he is correct --it only changed parties !!
    What the US truly needs now --more than ever in our history is a political party by and for the people.
    "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal-that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain Unalienable rights including life liberty and the pursuit of Happiness -----whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these rights it is the right of the PEOPLE to alter or abolish it and to institute new government ---etc etc :wink2:
     
  4. fact check

    fact check New Member

    Brett,

    I'm sure a smart guy like yourself, realizes that this was an opinion piece, written on a blog, and wrongly reprinted as news.

    The author is a local weatherman, not a climate expert, and he ignores the conclusions of the the papers he references.

    Of course, at the end of the article it is stated:
    "The Met Office says that warming is set to resume quickly and strongly.
    It predicts that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998)"


    See here for what REAL scientists have to say:
    http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/...l-warming-hottest-decade-in-recorded-history/
     
  5. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    As always there is one scientist who says one thing, and another who says another. The trend in the global climate is a downward in temperature changes, and that is a fact.

    Record breaking Cold snap in Chicago
    Montana record cold temps

    Even the hurricane seasons become less and less volatile as waters cool

    Atlantic Hurricane season quietest in decade

    Certainly hard to build a case that the earth is still warming when in fact the evidence says it is cooling.
     
  6. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

     
  7. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    A warming pause?

     
  8. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Jones- I can't believe you buy into that. If the warmest year on record is 1998 then how could average global temperatures increase over that time? Sometime since 1998 average global temperatures would have to exceed the levels recorded in 1998 in order for the average temperature to increase. Its all bogus science your buying into.
     
  9. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

     
  10. JimJimmyJames

    JimJimmyJames Big Time Feeder Driver

    Well, if the oceans do rise, are we all really going to cry over all the cesspool cities we might lose?

    I think it would be neat if Manhattan was under water like in the movie A.I.

    I don't know if I am kidding.

    "Some say the end is near.
    Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
    I certainly hope we will.
    I sure could use a vacation from this..." -Tool
     
  11. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Well, if you ever been to an Ice glacier, you'll see it rescinded more in the past 20 years, then in the past 1000 years.
    Or look at the artic, where ships can now travel in free waterways that have never exsisted before.
    Where also, polar bears and eskimos, have less access to food sources, since the ice rescinded soo much away, from the bigger ocean fish catches.
    If it's a natural thing or because of carbs and toxins in the air, thats debatable.
    But, the ozone layer, is surely damaged, and not protecting us or the earth as it once used to.
     
  12. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    My azaleas are still blooming so does that count as proof too?

    Encore variety for those wondering why!
    :wink2:
     
  13. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member





    :happy-very:

    Tool!
    :thumbsup:

    "IF" you like Tool with a pre-DSOTM Pink Floyd sound, check out this band. An old song but a fav and usually an encore. Great band IMO.

     
  14. JimJimmyJames

    JimJimmyJames Big Time Feeder Driver

    Thanks for the recommendation. Definitely reminds me of a hard edged Floyd sound.

    Floyd was my favorite band in high school. Which reminds me, though most people did not seem to like it, The Final Cut is to me a great album. Especially for the strong anti-war theme that is the album's concept.
     
  15. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    What happened to global warming?

    Why just twenty years ago the media was crazy about global cooling.

    If someone needs to " buy " some carbon credits, then I suggest you call
    1-617-779-3469 today.
     
  16. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Here, was on our news last night, how the northpole ice is melting away and causing ocean levels to rise .
    Watch this 1 min newscast video :

    http://www.globalnational.com/video/index.html?releasePID=YouF4_IsVPC4q85WzCdnWx067ecz2cTf
     
  17. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Thank goodness that sea rising thingy is in Canada and not here....
     
  18. chev

    chev Nightcrawler

    :surprised: Oh nooo! The earth is going through one of these natural cycles. Let's all call it global warming so we can tax these mindless boobs for their carbon footprint and create bigger government so we can take over their lives.

    "We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile" :crazy2:
     
  19. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Natural cycles of smog alerts in metro cities , too, eh ?
    Just hog wash.
    Might be hard to breath, and you need to stay indoors with windows closed. But only for those that have Asthma and other breathing problemes. Not very healthy for young children, either.
    Or for anybody for that matter.

    But, it's all natural. Came with mother earth.
    Just can't be man made, right ?

    095, ocean level rise effects everybody on earth. In this case Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
     
  20. chev

    chev Nightcrawler



    February 23, 2009 Media Credibility, Not Ice Caps, In Meltdown

    By Peter C Glover

    Eco-warriors and media hype aside, the fact is, as we head into 2009, that the world's ice mass has been expanding not contracting. Which will surprise evening news junkies fed a diet of polar bears floating about on ice floes and snow shelves falling into the oceans. But if a whole series of reports on ice growth in the Arctic, the Antarctic and among glaciers are right, then it is truth in the mainstream media (MSM) that's in meltdown not the polar ice caps.

    The problem for the MSM is that it long ago nailed its colors to the climate alarmist mast. No ice cap meltdown, no rising waters. No disappearing islands, no reason for alarm. No alarm, no story. Worst of all having called yet another global apocalypse wrong: No credibility. So the MSM has a significant stake in running highly selective warm-mongering headlines. Not to mention disparaging those scientists who have the temerity to disagree as ' and 'pseudo-scientists'.

    There's nothing more the climate alarmist media loves than a 'melting Arctic' ice cap story. So why not stories from the far larger expanse of ice that is the 'melting' Antarctic? Well it might have something to do with the fact that the Antarctic ice grew to record levels in 2007 - and continues to grow.

    The Antarctic

    "The media has ignored the increase in Antarctica sea ice cover in recent years, with at present, a coverage that is one million square kilometres above average."
    Full Article here
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/media_credibility_not_ice_caps_1.html