bernie sanders for prez pushing socialist worker cooperatives

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by rickyb, May 2, 2015.

  1. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    apparently hes a little weak on foreign policy, but otherwise is great.

    Among the 12 platform planks that he published:

    "creating worker cooperatives"
    "We need to develop new economic models to increase job creation and productivity. Instead of giving huge tax breaks to corporations which ship our jobs to China and other low-wage countries, we need to provide assistance to workers who want to purchase their own businesses by establishing worker-owned cooperatives. Study after study shows that when workers have an ownership stake in the businesses they work for, productivity goes up, absenteeism goes down and employees are much more satisfied with their jobs"

    to hell with capitalism. workers rise up, fire you boss, and give yourselves better work/life ballance!

    Within the various units of cooperatives, workers decide on the direction of production for the company as well as what to do with the profits.

    While CEO-to-worker pay ratios in capitalist corporations in the United States have reached over 300-to-1, in Mondragon the cooperative model ensures that in most of its operations, “the ratio of compensation between top executives and the lowest-paid members is between three to one and six to one.”

    By endorsing their expansion, Sanders is proving that his differences with his opponents are not just in style but in substance – providing an alternative to the top-down corporations that run our economy.

    there are 11,000 cooperatives in america. I guess alot of americans really like socialism...
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  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    There is a greater chance of Moreluck and I getting together for lunch than Bernie becoming our next President.
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  3. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Stick to the 'Bitches Who Brunch' Club and don't drag me into your scenario.
    "There is a greater chance of Rowdy and I getting together...." would work for you.
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I had to think of the most unlikely thing to happen in order to make my analogy work.

    Bernie would carry Vermont but would have little support elsewhere.
  5. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    jesse ventura got elected governor against all odds and was outspent. he got into the debates, which is key for bernie.

    but i dont really put my faith in politicians, i put my faith in people organizing and taking to the streets to get :censored2: done. like the people in baltimore now
  6. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    My personal favorite is lynch mobs!
  7. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    Remember when they used to tar and feather politicians for breaking the public's trust.

    Ahhhh, good times.
  8. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    the nazi party got 3% of the vote, and then 5 years later hitler was chancellor.

    in alberta, the conservative party which ruled for 40 years just lost and the mainstream center left party got elected.

    the greeks also just elected the equivalent of the green party winning in america.

    so id say its more unlikely u and moreluck wont meet. but then again, u could be right.
  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

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  11. Austin.Was.My.Hero

    Austin.Was.My.Hero quod erat demonstrandum

  12. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    It's strange that there is such a knee-jerk negative reaction to this idea. It seems to be the most American ideas if you consider each local Chamber of Commerce as a sort.of co-op all the way up to ALEC, the US Chamber of Commerce, and negotiated trade deals with other countries. So why is only the idea of worker co-ops shunned?
  13. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Worker Cooperatives: Retooling the Solidarity Economy

    My oldest daughter works at an employee owned cooperative and she loves it. She also has benefits about equal to mine and with good pay too not to mention dividends paid out from the profits.
  14. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    I have to admit, this concept employed among my drivers could be hugely beneficial to all if implemented correctly.
  15. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    People tend to care more when their own money is on the line.
  16. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    And really that's the concept that let RPS flourish I'm the beginning.
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  17. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    I agree this approach has appeal but there are also other cooperative options beyond the typical employer/employee paradigm. Various customer owned/run cooperatives from groceries to utilities have also proven quite effective.

    Imagine the use of cooperatives in such places as inter-city where capital is limited if not absent yet an abundance of labor. Where it has been used there are success stories to learn from regardless if one likes or takes this approach to economic action.
  18. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    i think it gets shunned mostly because of propaganda. i think alot of people think the only 2 options are capitalism or government controlled jobs. i mean alot of people hate their jobs which are capitalist, but if the majority made the rules and actually owned what they produced, tehy would enjoy their workplaces more. if you look at the inequality you can see that a small minority is really benefiting from capitalism. for most people in usa and canada, the living standards are slowly falling. probably true for some or most of EU countries as well.

    i just finished chomsky's on anarchism and he talks about workers controlling their jobs and people having power from below in spain, gonna read orwells homage to catalonia next.
  19. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    As it relates to the idea of cooperatives and worker control industry, you might also read Benjamin Tucker. Along with the concept of mutualism.
  20. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.