Big Brown wins/Fred S cries

rod

Retired 22 years
Bear roast is excellant. We did one on a Weber grill during the last strike along with grouse, venison and walleye. Ummmmmm-delicious.
 

Dutch Dawg

Well-Known Member
I didn't know there was a big market for bear meat.
I would be in favor of giving the bears the same high-powered hunting rifles the hunters use. It would even the playing field, don't you think?

Pshaw.....and here I thought the rifle was leveling the playing field. If man gave up the rifle in his quest for bear. Do you think the bears could be compelled to relinquish their claws, ivories, strength, speed and size? I didn't think so....
 

Jack4343

FT DR Specialist
The problem I have with PETA and their followers is the amount of hatred they spew towards mankind. It must be really painful looking in the mirror everyday and realizing you are a part of the human race with all the God-awful tradegys we commit every single day. Me, I sleep well at night and I'm proud of people as a whole. The one simple thing that PETA followers don't understand is this....Animals and Humans are NOT equals! We are the top of the food chain and as such we dictate how other living things on this earth exist. There will be no leveling of the playing field. If bears want to level the field, let them develop a brain smart enough to find a way to defeat us. Most PETA followers are young liberal tree hugging urban hippies that probably don't know the first thing about these animals or how they live. "Oh, don't hurt the defenseless little bunny!" Let me tell you (and I've never hunted or shot a gun in my life), if I was starving and my family needed food to eat, I'd trap that bunny, grab it by it's legs and beat it's precious little head in so I could provide food for the ones I care for.
 

Upslady20

Well-Known Member
As a horse owner I would like to say it was a very sad event when Eight Belles went down. I think part of the problem with race horses is the fact that they start them so young they do not have time to finish growing and developing their tendons and bones. Eight Belles was already 17 hands and was not finished growing she was a very large filly.
In several equine sports you cannot even participate with a horse until it is a 4 year old. At that time the horse has had sufficient time to develope. I ride my arabian in endurance and they have to be 4 to compete.
And as far as horses running free and wild there are very few places left where horses can safely do so. And trickpony horses will run together in a very tight pack shoulder to shoulder bouncing off of each other just for the pure joy of running. My horses run around like maniacs all by themselves just because they love to do it.. and they have hurt themselves in the process. Thank goodness no broken bones.
I am personally rooting for Big Brown to win it all and not just because he has our logo on him. He is a great horse that has overcome horrible hoof issues. A farrier from where I live has been taking care of the quarter cracks he has developed and helped him to become painfree. His owners have showed the smarts to not race him when he was having problems which is a noble thing to do. They do care about their horse.
So go Big Brown go.. and lets hope there are no more deaths to over shadow a great athlete.
 

scratch

Least Best Moderator
Staff member
As far as Eight Belles, that was tragic. Horses do injure themselves just out in the pasture. We used to have a family farm on which we had horses and cattle. My brother had a beautiful grey Arabian stallion that he had paid 10K for back around 1985. Anyway, the horse got his tail tangled up in a tree limb out in one of our pastures. He broke two of his legs trying to get loose before he was found. My brother cried for days because he had to put that horse down.

I'm glad to see Big Brown win. Best wishes for those next two big races.
 

helenofcalifornia

Well-Known Member
On NPR radio today they were saying that all 20 of the horses were related to Native Dancer and there might be an "inbreeding" thing going on. The type of breaks that happened to Eight Belles were never seen before by the vet on scene. They also said that most of the horses that run the big races today don't race nearly as much as in the past. One horse years ago had already raced 11 times before the Derby. Big Brown has only run 3 races in his lifetime. It will be interesting to see how the next two races turn out. Heartbreaking to watch Eight's trainer on TV. That guy is a broken man for now.
 

Average at Best

Well-Known Member
The one simple thing that PETA followers don't understand is this....Animals and Humans are NOT equals! We are the top of the food chain and as such we dictate how other living things on this earth exist. There will be no leveling of the playing field. If bears want to level the field, let them develop a brain smart enough to find a way to defeat us. Most PETA followers are young liberal tree hugging urban hippies that probably don't know the first thing about these animals or how they live. "Oh, don't hurt the defenseless little bunny!" Let me tell you (and I've never hunted or shot a gun in my life), if I was starving and my family needed food to eat, I'd trap that bunny, grab it by it's legs and beat it's precious little head in so I could provide food for the ones I care for.

I'm a PETA follower, and I'm not an urban tree-hugger, and I hate hippies (they need haircuts). I don't agree with everything that PETA says and does. I am on their email list and some of the stuff they send out is absolutely nuts, I'll admit. I love me a juicy steak every so often, and just this weekend, I killed a nest of baby rattlers in my yard with a spade. Not neccessarily PETA material, I know.

All the same, I love animals. They are not equal to us, and as the Bible states, we have stewardship over them, but that does not mean we can make them suffer needlessly. Yes, we use them for food. I buy my produce from local farmers, so that I know the cow I am eating is the same one I saw grazing last week, not some worn out heffer that spent its miserable life in a crowded pen. It's healthier for me as well, and I support my local economy. Yes, we use them for cancer research. This does not mean that it's ethical to torture bunnies so that Revlon can make a mascara that is waterproof in a tsunami. Yes, we use them in horse racing. This does not mean that we make them weak through imbreeding, and jeopardize their lives by giving them medication on gameday so that they cannot realize that they are beyond their own physical limit.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm just saying that there are levels to us PETA nuts, and that some people are a little more sane about their love of animals. I wouldn't choose the life of an animal over the life of a human (in most cases - depends on the human), but some simple things can be done to treat them a little more humanely.
 

JohnnyPension

Well-Known Member
Was driving to the golf course in Queen Creek AZ and we actually saw a herd (six) of wild horses running across the road. The local natives say they return to this area every year. An awesome sight.

John
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
I'm a PETA follower, and I'm not an urban tree-hugger, and I hate hippies (they need haircuts). I don't agree with everything that PETA says and does. I am on their email list and some of the stuff they send out is absolutely nuts, I'll admit. I love me a juicy steak every so often, and just this weekend, I killed a nest of baby rattlers in my yard with a spade. Not neccessarily PETA material, I know.

All the same, I love animals. They are not equal to us, and as the Bible states, we have stewardship over them, but that does not mean we can make them suffer needlessly. Yes, we use them for food. I buy my produce from local farmers, so that I know the cow I am eating is the same one I saw grazing last week, not some worn out heffer that spent its miserable life in a crowded pen. It's healthier for me as well, and I support my local economy. Yes, we use them for cancer research. This does not mean that it's ethical to torture bunnies so that Revlon can make a mascara that is waterproof in a tsunami. Yes, we use them in horse racing. This does not mean that we make them weak through imbreeding, and jeopardize their lives by giving them medication on gameday so that they cannot realize that they are beyond their own physical limit.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm just saying that there are levels to us PETA nuts, and that some people are a little more sane about their love of animals. I wouldn't choose the life of an animal over the life of a human (in most cases - depends on the human), but some simple things can be done to treat them a little more humanely.
As the old jingle said,
"Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't"
A rational perspective ( bible excluded) on the treatment of all living things is key.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
PETA makes some valid points about the cruelty involved in factory farming, testing of cosmetics on animals, and trapping for fur.
What they dont seem to fully grasp is that nature itself can be a cruel and brutal place even without man involved in it.
I was elk hunting once and saw a pack of coyotes eating a deer. They had torn one of its legs off, but it was still alive...for a few more minutes at least. That is how nature works.
My wife and I arent vegetarians, but we only buy free-range eggs. We dont wear fur. We buy our beef from a local butcher who contracts out to local ranchers. These cattle arent herded into a slaughterhouse or raised on a factory farm, they live a serene, drug and hormone free life out in a pasture. Come slaughtering time, the butcher goes out to the farm in his truck and shoots the cow in the head with a .30-06. No brain, no pain. A person CAN eat meat in an ethical and humane manner despite what PETA might think.
 

trickpony1

Well-Known Member
A rational perspective ( bible excluded) on the treatment of all living things is key.


It doesn't surprise me that you would exclude the Bible as being "rational" considering how almighty and smart you are.
Perhaps you can get the Pope to change the language in the Bible to read:

"...the Father, Son and Satellitedriver".
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
It doesn't surprise me that you would exclude the Bible as being "rational" considering how almighty and smart you are.
Perhaps you can get the Pope to change the language in the Bible to read:

"...the Father, Son and Satellitedriver".
That's the best you can come up with, 1Trick.
If you would have noticed, I excluded the bible in parenthesis.
In doing that, I was taking the religious argument out of my sentence.
In your twisted logic you presumed I excluded the Biblical reference as a way to call the Bible irrational and as usual you are incorrect.
You are the one who has deemed me as being almighty and smart.
Wrong, again.
Since you seem to be a biblical scholar, where is the sign of the cross;
"In the name of the Father,
the Son
and the Holy Spirit.
Amen";
mentioned?
If you can provided that info, I would like to see it.
I was taught it was a Catholic construct as an outward sign to show to the world ones faith in Christ.
P.S.
The Pope can not rewrite any part of the Bible.
 

tieguy

Banned
It doesn't surprise me that you would exclude the Bible as being "rational" considering how almighty and smart you are.
Perhaps you can get the Pope to change the language in the Bible to read:

"...the Father, Son and Satellitedriver".

this is a common trick pony tactic. trying to make you sound like you think you are holier then thou.
 
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