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<blockquote data-quote="nospinzone" data-source="post: 167689" data-attributes="member: 1335"><p>You fail to allow us to debate on an even playing field. People ask how APWA can make these benefit promises and the answer relies on the projections APWA has made assuming that as the bargaining agent they would be receiving the employer contributions. The whole debate here revolves around the question,,, If APWA were the bargaining agent, how could they use the SAME AMOUNT OF EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS that the IBT is using to provide better health insurance or pension benefits. Using the same employer contributions that the IBT receives from UPS, how could the APWA provide better insurance for the 217,00 UPS employees. CS has done the same thing here. Using the current contribution rates and their financial responsibilities, which are burdened by the thousands of non-UPS leaches, they have projected their best and ever-decreasing benefits they can provide. If we applied your "paper tiger" arguement to US Presidental debates, here is what it would sound like.</p><p></p><p><em>Moderator: Mr. Kerry, as president of the United States, how do you plan to improve the quality of air fresheners in truckstop restrooms?</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Kerry: Well Jim,,,,</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Bush: Jim, I can answer that for Kerry. He is not the president. Nor will he ever be the president. He has no chance of being president and all his answers rely on "ifs and promises". So everything he is about to say amounts to a hill of beans.</em></p><p>Only a fool would continue giving his money to a union/pension fund in which 40% of his contributions go to someone else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nospinzone, post: 167689, member: 1335"] You fail to allow us to debate on an even playing field. People ask how APWA can make these benefit promises and the answer relies on the projections APWA has made assuming that as the bargaining agent they would be receiving the employer contributions. The whole debate here revolves around the question,,, If APWA were the bargaining agent, how could they use the SAME AMOUNT OF EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS that the IBT is using to provide better health insurance or pension benefits. Using the same employer contributions that the IBT receives from UPS, how could the APWA provide better insurance for the 217,00 UPS employees. CS has done the same thing here. Using the current contribution rates and their financial responsibilities, which are burdened by the thousands of non-UPS leaches, they have projected their best and ever-decreasing benefits they can provide. If we applied your "paper tiger" arguement to US Presidental debates, here is what it would sound like. [I]Moderator: Mr. Kerry, as president of the United States, how do you plan to improve the quality of air fresheners in truckstop restrooms? Kerry: Well Jim,,,, Bush: Jim, I can answer that for Kerry. He is not the president. Nor will he ever be the president. He has no chance of being president and all his answers rely on "ifs and promises". So everything he is about to say amounts to a hill of beans.[/I] Only a fool would continue giving his money to a union/pension fund in which 40% of his contributions go to someone else. [/QUOTE]
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