So anagrams are allowed, but not alliterations? Crybaby. There I've called you a name, time for the penalty box. Adios.That kind of language is totally uncalled for !! What you called me is NOT an anagram of my nickname, {deleted by moderator}, on this site, but a flat out filthy remark.
Bill Clinton interview on Fox
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Clinton lied to Wallace in the interview, he said Richard Clark was demoted by the Bush administration but in Richard Clarks own book Clark said he asked to be transferred to cybersecurity position which wasn`t a demotion. President Clinton DID protect us from who threatened us though - the Branch Davidians!
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Dick Morris has now stepped into the fray. Whether he is right or wrong you decide but he was at one time very close to the Clinton's and to his credit he finds fault in his piece with Bush as well and I agree with that position also and I'm still not satisfied enough has been done regarding Osama which has been the whole root cause of this entire exercise.
The real Clinton emerges
Also, Slothrop would you stop getting so worked up over nothing. DAMN! It's very possible that out of laziness on my part that I also would have responded and addressed you as Sloth (I swear I think I have in the past) or SRop or various other shorthanded versions of your alias as Moreluck did. And in doing so the motive would have been my own laziness and not some means of demeaning or sarcasic methods of buttering your biscuits!
I never cry foul at all when you refer to me as mac although that use has no meaning to me. I've been called wack-mac (I liked that one LOL) and working-mac as people have tried to figure out what wkmac means. Like passwords, sometimes you just use a goofy combination that works but has no rhyme or reason. Others like to use something that sends a message or implies something about their own personality and that's cool to. This can be very fun when they work for the person.
I don't think it's any secret that you and Moreluck don't see each as kindred spirits but I'd also venture to say that of the political positions that I hold on many a subject matter, she would likely more often disagree with me as well, in many cases very strongly like the time I did call the american gov't fascist because in many respects of the true useage of political structure and means of operation, I truely believe this is the case. I however disagree with those who use the term in a flipent method of intimidation during political discourse as a means of manipulation. I also would say you could call Amercia socialist as we've incorporated as normal governace, in some form or fashion, the 10 planks of Marx's Communist manifesto and both political parties have in the past fully endorsed these measures. I beleive we are becoming and are a hybrid system and I'm sure that Moreluck would not be so quick to agree with me on my allegations and for that fact you may not either and that's cool!
However, and to my knowledge, I don't believe Moreluck and I have ever had crosswords although we've taken opposite positions on issues with one another. I've always shown her respect and I have talked cooking with her before and may in the future as well so her cooking threads are not a waste of time in this forum as far as I'm concerned. My 12 year old daughter recently cooked a Swiss Steak recipe she found in the threads and I enjoyed it very much and she found much delight in cooking it. Thanks More! For that fact and correct me if I'm wrong or at least what I know from my part, you and I have never had crosswords and I'm sure there are areas that we disagree with one another.
Nobody has died and left either of us in charge as God and never will so stop taking yourself so damn serious. At best, we are nothing but hot globs of gas on a neural network and nothing more. That is the extent of the realm of our kingdom! Odds are, no matter what we say and how hard we try, neither of us will change the world as much as we may like too. I rarely respond to you directly not because I dislike you or detest your positions. Some things I think we would agree on but rather I don't respond because I see no effort on your part to every once in a while to just get a little stupid and silly and just have some fun and laughter here. Maybe I've missed those posts to be fair you you. Tieguy and I are miles apart in many areas but I find it very easy to laugh with him when he gets silly and in like he's laughed with me. I will admit I did try and butter Tie's biscuits with the Tie loves Susie and Susie loves Tie posts but I think in time he caught on to the game and took my fun away. Damn you Tie!
BTW: If I ever get the chance to meet Tie and I know it ahead of time I gonna act real gay and come on to him just to REALLY "butter his biscuits" and "wind his watch!"
There's an old saying that I've found to be very true and that is the one way to influence another person is to first and foremost, be a friend and share a laugh or 2 together. Reagan and Tip O'Neil were arch political enemies but they loved to laugh together and when the times demanded it they did work together and get some things done. People never completely agree with you in all things because they aren't you and that's true across the board but all I hope for is for any person to have enough respect for me to let me live as I see fit and in kind I hope to do the same for them. In doing so and in time I think the 2 persons find so much common ground that life can and usually is a pretty good deal!
JMO to hopefully another friend here!
The real Clinton emerges
Also, Slothrop would you stop getting so worked up over nothing. DAMN! It's very possible that out of laziness on my part that I also would have responded and addressed you as Sloth (I swear I think I have in the past) or SRop or various other shorthanded versions of your alias as Moreluck did. And in doing so the motive would have been my own laziness and not some means of demeaning or sarcasic methods of buttering your biscuits!
I never cry foul at all when you refer to me as mac although that use has no meaning to me. I've been called wack-mac (I liked that one LOL) and working-mac as people have tried to figure out what wkmac means. Like passwords, sometimes you just use a goofy combination that works but has no rhyme or reason. Others like to use something that sends a message or implies something about their own personality and that's cool to. This can be very fun when they work for the person.
I don't think it's any secret that you and Moreluck don't see each as kindred spirits but I'd also venture to say that of the political positions that I hold on many a subject matter, she would likely more often disagree with me as well, in many cases very strongly like the time I did call the american gov't fascist because in many respects of the true useage of political structure and means of operation, I truely believe this is the case. I however disagree with those who use the term in a flipent method of intimidation during political discourse as a means of manipulation. I also would say you could call Amercia socialist as we've incorporated as normal governace, in some form or fashion, the 10 planks of Marx's Communist manifesto and both political parties have in the past fully endorsed these measures. I beleive we are becoming and are a hybrid system and I'm sure that Moreluck would not be so quick to agree with me on my allegations and for that fact you may not either and that's cool!
However, and to my knowledge, I don't believe Moreluck and I have ever had crosswords although we've taken opposite positions on issues with one another. I've always shown her respect and I have talked cooking with her before and may in the future as well so her cooking threads are not a waste of time in this forum as far as I'm concerned. My 12 year old daughter recently cooked a Swiss Steak recipe she found in the threads and I enjoyed it very much and she found much delight in cooking it. Thanks More! For that fact and correct me if I'm wrong or at least what I know from my part, you and I have never had crosswords and I'm sure there are areas that we disagree with one another.
Nobody has died and left either of us in charge as God and never will so stop taking yourself so damn serious. At best, we are nothing but hot globs of gas on a neural network and nothing more. That is the extent of the realm of our kingdom! Odds are, no matter what we say and how hard we try, neither of us will change the world as much as we may like too. I rarely respond to you directly not because I dislike you or detest your positions. Some things I think we would agree on but rather I don't respond because I see no effort on your part to every once in a while to just get a little stupid and silly and just have some fun and laughter here. Maybe I've missed those posts to be fair you you. Tieguy and I are miles apart in many areas but I find it very easy to laugh with him when he gets silly and in like he's laughed with me. I will admit I did try and butter Tie's biscuits with the Tie loves Susie and Susie loves Tie posts but I think in time he caught on to the game and took my fun away. Damn you Tie!
BTW: If I ever get the chance to meet Tie and I know it ahead of time I gonna act real gay and come on to him just to REALLY "butter his biscuits" and "wind his watch!"There's an old saying that I've found to be very true and that is the one way to influence another person is to first and foremost, be a friend and share a laugh or 2 together. Reagan and Tip O'Neil were arch political enemies but they loved to laugh together and when the times demanded it they did work together and get some things done. People never completely agree with you in all things because they aren't you and that's true across the board but all I hope for is for any person to have enough respect for me to let me live as I see fit and in kind I hope to do the same for them. In doing so and in time I think the 2 persons find so much common ground that life can and usually is a pretty good deal!
JMO to hopefully another friend here!
moreluck
golden ticket member
Dick Morris is fun to listen to because he's like the gossiper, Mike Walker, in the Nt'l Enquirer. He appears on FOX a lot and he was close to the Clintons'. I'll bet he knows some really juicy stories. I'd still like to know if Barbara Streisand made it with Bill in the White House.....you know, important things like that.
You're right, wkmac, I'm not in line with you politically. I probably lean Tie's way in that respect.
Enjoyed your post and I'm glad your daughter's meal worked for you. I don't try ALL of those recipes.
Make it a good one!
You're right, wkmac, I'm not in line with you politically. I probably lean Tie's way in that respect.
Enjoyed your post and I'm glad your daughter's meal worked for you. I don't try ALL of those recipes.
Make it a good one!
Dick Morris makes for some fun reading, but it's hard to see him as particularly credible when he talks about what went on "behind the scenes" with the Clintons. For most of his public life he's demonstrated a tendency to try and impress people by claiming to know all kinds of secret, juicy tidbits about the people he works for, it's that weakness that got him into trouble with Sherry Rowlands and ended in him resigning (or being fired) from Clinton's first campaign.
Apparently he also told her he knew about secret rocks that proved there was life on Mars
1.
Everything he's saying about Clinton might be true, but I would look for some corroborating testimony before I put money on it.
And Moreluck, I would bet money that he would tell you that Bill "made it" with Barbara in the White house if he thought that story would impress you
Apparently he also told her he knew about secret rocks that proved there was life on Mars
1.Everything he's saying about Clinton might be true, but I would look for some corroborating testimony before I put money on it.
And Moreluck, I would bet money that he would tell you that Bill "made it" with Barbara in the White house if he thought that story would impress you
T
The Libertarian
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What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
Bill Clinton's outburst on Fox News was something of a public service, launching a debate about the antiterror policies of his administration. This is important because every George W. Bush policy that arouses the ire of Democrats--the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, detention without trial, pre-emptive war--is a departure from his predecessor. Where policies overlap--air attacks on infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, freezing bank accounts, using police to arrest terror suspects--there is little friction. The question, then, is whether America should return to Mr. Clinton's policies or soldier on with Mr. Bush's.
Bill Clinton's outburst on Fox News was something of a public service, launching a debate about the antiterror policies of his administration. This is important because every George W. Bush policy that arouses the ire of Democrats--the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, detention without trial, pre-emptive war--is a departure from his predecessor. Where policies overlap--air attacks on infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, freezing bank accounts, using police to arrest terror suspects--there is little friction. The question, then, is whether America should return to Mr. Clinton's policies or soldier on with Mr. Bush's.
D
DOG
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GREAT ARTICLE. THANKS FOR THE LINK.
Wkmac,
Nice post!!
My favorite line:
"At best, we are nothing but hot globs of gas on a neural network and nothing more. That is the extent of the realm of our kingdom!"
That got me to think and laugh at the same time!
Nice post!!
My favorite line:
"At best, we are nothing but hot globs of gas on a neural network and nothing more. That is the extent of the realm of our kingdom!"
That got me to think and laugh at the same time!
Here's the first gallup poll to be conducted since the interview:
Bush Blamed More Than Clinton for Failure to Capture Bin Laden
Democrats and Republicans answered pretty predictably, it was Independents who laid the blame mostly on Bush. Whatever your personal opinion, I think it's a mistake for the White House to get into a protracted war of words with Clinton. He's a much better communicator that Bush is, and he remains extremely popular with the American public at a time when Bush's poll numbers are pretty dismal. Their best bet is to let this drop pretty quickly and hope that he does the same.
At the end of the day, I don't think it's a debate that solves anything anyway. We are where we are, regardless of how we got here, and the only way out is forward.
Bush Blamed More Than Clinton for Failure to Capture Bin Laden
Democrats and Republicans answered pretty predictably, it was Independents who laid the blame mostly on Bush. Whatever your personal opinion, I think it's a mistake for the White House to get into a protracted war of words with Clinton. He's a much better communicator that Bush is, and he remains extremely popular with the American public at a time when Bush's poll numbers are pretty dismal. Their best bet is to let this drop pretty quickly and hope that he does the same.
At the end of the day, I don't think it's a debate that solves anything anyway. We are where we are, regardless of how we got here, and the only way out is forward.
wkmac
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America's Mayor speaks out. In one respect Mr. Mayor is right that we should stay focused and I think in his way that is what he is saying. A friend of my wife and I was a law enforcement official at the time of 9/11 in the NYC area (he's retired now) and he would email us almost daily and some evenings we'd do live chat via the net and what he relayed to us about the events and especially the Mayor was so insightful for us. I have so much respect for Rudy even though we would differ in so many areas of politics and economics. Even though I live in the deep south and have well over a 300 year history of all southern linage on this continent (there ain't a yankee in the liter I'm proud to say ) , I'm damn proud to call Rudy my Mayor too.
NY, you done good and God Bless you!
America's Mayor speaks out. In one respect Mr. Mayor is right that we should stay focused and I think in his way that is what he is saying. A friend of my wife and I was a law enforcement official at the time of 9/11 in the NYC area (he's retired now) and he would email us almost daily and some evenings we'd do live chat via the net and what he relayed to us about the events and especially the Mayor was so insightful for us. I have so much respect for Rudy even though we would differ in so many areas of politics and economics. Even though I live in the deep south and have well over a 300 year history of all southern linage on this continent (there ain't a yankee in the liter I'm proud to say
) , I'm damn proud to call Rudy my Mayor too.NY, you done good and God Bless you!
wkmac
Well-Known Member
I would also blame Bush more than Clinton but it's more because how the cards have played out. History I think will continue to tell more and more of this story and my opinion may change or modify but for now I think Bush has failed more on his watch than Clinton only because we pulled the trigger and have yet come up short in getting the "Big Dog". I will give credit that in many respects we've dealt Al Queda several blows but the question still begs how they've adapted and modified their operations. I'm not sure how important to Al Queda specifically Osama is other than a figurehead and rally point but having him loose keeps the neckhairs and ears up of the American people whereas his capture or death would in most minds suggest a completion and therefore a conclusion to the war on terror when reality might suggest just the opposite.
As for Iraq, initially I supported it but not all for the general reasoning most given. First off, there was a chance that Iraq had an infrastructure for production and storage of NBC weapons and you could argue after 9/11 we didn't have the luxury of taking risks anymore. Spin it all you want but this proved to be false for whatever reason you or them want to give. I also knew that prior to the global alliance lead by the US to expell Iraq from Kuwait(Gulf War 1), that Osama and Al Queda had requested of Saudi royals to be allowed to do the job themselves (so much for the Saddam/Osama beer drinking and ballgame friendship although they are both Sunni) and that Osama felt very angry over being rebuffed by the Royals and the Infidels being allowed in on their "Holy Ground." After the 1st Gulf War we remained there in Saudi to maintain the no/fly zone which further displeased Osama and the radical Wahhabi's and it was this event threshold that began the Al Queda attacks on the west and specifically the US. A removal of Saddam, thus a removal of US forces and or presence on Saudi ground could likely qwell Osama and Al Queda and they devote their time and energy towards other elements. Plus the fact that we were expending large sums of tax dollars on acting as Saddam's jailer and maintaining his "house arrest" in effect andfor how long do we do this?
In hindsight, the parties who found Saddam should have turned off the cameras, capped Saddam in the head, threw him back in that spider hole and walked away as if nothing happened. In the days to come, leak the info of his location to trusted Iraqi persons so that they find the body and the Iraqi people can know he has gone to be with his 70 virgins. Then we pack our bags and get out and wish them well. Would their be chaos? Likely but it's also likely it could spill over into Iran's doorstep and handcuff them and don't forget Syria on the other side. In other words, let them take each other out if they so choose to do so. Devilish, sneeky, evil bastard ain't I. But at least my way get's us out of the region, no nation building or empirical desires, have them so busy fighting each other which is what they've done for forever anyway and if someone does rise to the top they'll be so beat up and torn to pieces that they will have a Blue light, midnight madness sale of their oil just to get enough money to buy the basics. In other words, peace through economics which is usually in the end what drives it anyway. We just haven't evolved to see how stupid war is so until that day comes you just have to go with the flow and economics tends to be a deciding factor!
That's my take for what it's worth and not much I'm sure!
Hey BTW Jones, speaking of polls, over the last few weeks the republicans have seen some positive rebounds and the lastest Clinton/Fox deal appears to also have helped thus fueling the "vast rightwing/Fox News Conspiracy." The American public is so herded and driven by events that 2 weeks before the election Bush could fart in public and if the media spun it right for opinion effect, every republican in office would get voted out as a result of the smell. The same is true the other way. We are truly sheep lead to the slaughter!
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Jones,
Oh no! No posting from work or laptop. I'm crazy but not stupid. First off I work nights but I'm finishing my 2nd week of vacation at present and just avoiding completing the trim work on our remodeled living room as long as possible. LOL! I did "FINALLY" get my wife to buy the curtails and the rods (thank you Jesus!)and I did get those put up last night. I'm about to go up, fire up the planer and router table and start building the last 2 window trim headers and then I'm about to try my hand for the first time with Faux finish on the walls. Any of you an expert out there with someone who's taking this on for the first time? I have taken a 4x8 sheet of sheetrock and practiced ion it several times in order to figure out the specific finish and color we want. Besides, at any moment my wife will come down and exclaim "Are you gonna stay all day on that DAMN computer!"
Got 2 more weeks in November but looks like one of those weeks we may be down on the Gulf coast around Cape Coral but it's not set in stone yet. Have a good one!
Oh no! No posting from work or laptop. I'm crazy but not stupid. First off I work nights but I'm finishing my 2nd week of vacation at present and just avoiding completing the trim work on our remodeled living room as long as possible. LOL! I did "FINALLY" get my wife to buy the curtails and the rods (thank you Jesus!)and I did get those put up last night. I'm about to go up, fire up the planer and router table and start building the last 2 window trim headers and then I'm about to try my hand for the first time with Faux finish on the walls. Any of you an expert out there with someone who's taking this on for the first time? I have taken a 4x8 sheet of sheetrock and practiced ion it several times in order to figure out the specific finish and color we want. Besides, at any moment my wife will come down and exclaim "Are you gonna stay all day on that DAMN computer!"
Got 2 more weeks in November but looks like one of those weeks we may be down on the Gulf coast around Cape Coral but it's not set in stone yet. Have a good one!
tieguy
Banned
Dick Morris has now stepped into the fray. Whether he is right or wrong you decide but he was at one time very close to the Clinton's and to his credit he finds fault in his piece with Bush as well and I agree with that position also and I'm still not satisfied enough has been done regarding Osama which has been the whole root cause of this entire exercise.
The real Clinton emerges
Also, Slothrop would you stop getting so worked up over nothing. DAMN! It's very possible that out of laziness on my part that I also would have responded and addressed you as Sloth (I swear I think I have in the past) or SRop or various other shorthanded versions of your alias as Moreluck did. And in doing so the motive would have been my own laziness and not some means of demeaning or sarcasic methods of buttering your biscuits!
I never cry foul at all when you refer to me as mac although that use has no meaning to me. I've been called wack-mac (I liked that one LOL) and working-mac as people have tried to figure out what wkmac means. Like passwords, sometimes you just use a goofy combination that works but has no rhyme or reason. Others like to use something that sends a message or implies something about their own personality and that's cool to. This can be very fun when they work for the person.
I don't think it's any secret that you and Moreluck don't see each as kindred spirits but I'd also venture to say that of the political positions that I hold on many a subject matter, she would likely more often disagree with me as well, in many cases very strongly like the time I did call the american gov't fascist because in many respects of the true useage of political structure and means of operation, I truely believe this is the case. I however disagree with those who use the term in a flipent method of intimidation during political discourse as a means of manipulation. I also would say you could call Amercia socialist as we've incorporated as normal governace, in some form or fashion, the 10 planks of Marx's Communist manifesto and both political parties have in the past fully endorsed these measures. I beleive we are becoming and are a hybrid system and I'm sure that Moreluck would not be so quick to agree with me on my allegations and for that fact you may not either and that's cool!
However, and to my knowledge, I don't believe Moreluck and I have ever had crosswords although we've taken opposite positions on issues with one another. I've always shown her respect and I have talked cooking with her before and may in the future as well so her cooking threads are not a waste of time in this forum as far as I'm concerned. My 12 year old daughter recently cooked a Swiss Steak recipe she found in the threads and I enjoyed it very much and she found much delight in cooking it. Thanks More! For that fact and correct me if I'm wrong or at least what I know from my part, you and I have never had crosswords and I'm sure there are areas that we disagree with one another.
Nobody has died and left either of us in charge as God and never will so stop taking yourself so damn serious. At best, we are nothing but hot globs of gas on a neural network and nothing more. That is the extent of the realm of our kingdom! Odds are, no matter what we say and how hard we try, neither of us will change the world as much as we may like too. I rarely respond to you directly not because I dislike you or detest your positions. Some things I think we would agree on but rather I don't respond because I see no effort on your part to every once in a while to just get a little stupid and silly and just have some fun and laughter here. Maybe I've missed those posts to be fair you you. Tieguy and I are miles apart in many areas but I find it very easy to laugh with him when he gets silly and in like he's laughed with me. I will admit I did try and butter Tie's biscuits with the Tie loves Susie and Susie loves Tie posts but I think in time he caught on to the game and took my fun away. Damn you Tie!
There's an old saying that I've found to be very true and that is the one way to influence another person is to first and foremost, be a friend and share a laugh or 2 together. Reagan and Tip O'Neil were arch political enemies but they loved to laugh together and when the times demanded it they did work together and get some things done. People never completely agree with you in all things because they aren't you and that's true across the board but all I hope for is for any person to have enough respect for me to let me live as I see fit and in kind I hope to do the same for them. In doing so and in time I think the 2 persons find so much common ground that life can and usually is a pretty good deal!
JMO to hopefully another friend here!
nicely said in your never ending effort to turn susie slothrop into a civil member of this board.
tieguy
Banned
as for the interview what can you possibly say. Bill Clinton attacking fox and wallace to keep wallace on the defensive and keep attention of his failed terrorist policies. Whats really laughable is when Bill Says he tried to get bin laden( in his 8 years) and bush did not in his 8 months. Bill clinton constantly referring to the right wingers, neo cons etc trying to draw sympathy from the viewers?
OH and let me bring up Richard clarke cause he was loyal to all those presidents he worked for. ROFLMAO.
The one point Bill Clinton makes that I tend to agree with is that somalia was a warlord squirmish not a war against terrorists.
OH and let me bring up Richard clarke cause he was loyal to all those presidents he worked for. ROFLMAO.
The one point Bill Clinton makes that I tend to agree with is that somalia was a warlord squirmish not a war against terrorists.
tieguy
Banned
How can there be a debate when everything Clinton did failed. He couldn't kill bin laden or slow down terrorism and his failed policies allowed the 9/11 bombers the opportunity to plant their roots in this country.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice - washingtonpost.com
More and more will shake out about this whole process over time and this is good. I think in the end that it will be impossible to lay sole blame on any President, adminstration, political party, etc. and there will be plenty to spread around everwhere.
JMO.
More and more will shake out about this whole process over time and this is good. I think in the end that it will be impossible to lay sole blame on any President, adminstration, political party, etc. and there will be plenty to spread around everwhere.
JMO.
tieguy
Banned
As well there should be. What has been amazing is how bush has gotten all the blame for 9/11 when he barely had the presidency long enough to unpack the furniture.
Clinton has so far been able to dodge his share of the blame and as you can see he was quick to resort to the right wing conspiracy lines when confronted with his share of the pie.
Its very likely the monica lewinsky affair and its aftermath helped distract his presidency.
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