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<blockquote data-quote="worldwide" data-source="post: 536855" data-attributes="member: 2193"><p>Are you opposed to work outsourced to companies outside the US as well as outsourced to US companies that are non-union? In other words, are you saying that only union shops based in the US can perform this type of work safely? If so, I disagree.</p><p></p><p>The following info is from Wikipedia:</p><p>"The NTSB placed fault for ValuJet Flight 592 on three parties: SabreTech, for illegally transporting dangerous materials aboard a commercial aircraft, improperly labeling them, and not providing safety equipment to ship them; ValuJet, for not properly supervising SabreTech; and the FAA, for not properly supervising ValuJet and not requiring active fire suppression equipment in this cargo compartment.</p><p></p><p>In 1997, a federal grand jury charged SabreTech with mishandling hazardous materials, failing to train its employees on proper handling of hazardous materials, conspiracy and making false statements. SabreTech's maintenance supervisor, Daniel Gonzalez, and two mechanics who worked on the plane, Eugene Florence and Mauro Valenzuela, were charged with conspiracy and making false statements. Two years later, having been found guilty on the mishandling hazardous materials and improper training charges, SabreTech was fined $2 million and ordered to pay $9 million in restitution. Gonzalez and Florence were acquitted on all charges, while Valenzuela failed to appear and is currently missing. In December 2008, the EPA announced a web site to search for "environmental fugitives," highlighting Mauro Valenzuela as a specific target."</p><p></p><p>I could not find any information that indicated the crash was due in any part to SabreTech being union or non-union.</p><p></p><p>The worst crash in US history (American Airlines Flight 191) was attributable to damage to the left wing engine pylon that occurred during an earlier engine change at American Airlines's aircraft maintenance facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The DC-10 itself acquired a bad reputation, but ironically it was often caused by poor maintenance procedures, and not design flaws. I beleive that the AA mechanics are represented by the Transport Workers Union but please correct me if I am mistaken. </p><p></p><p>My point is that I have not been able to find any data that indicates any air crashes were due a firms status as a union or non-union shop, whether located in the US or outside the US. People cutting corners, taking shortcuts, purposely being dishonest or simply making mistakes caused these accidents; not whether the shops were union or non-union or if the work was done in the US or some other country.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="worldwide, post: 536855, member: 2193"] Are you opposed to work outsourced to companies outside the US as well as outsourced to US companies that are non-union? In other words, are you saying that only union shops based in the US can perform this type of work safely? If so, I disagree. The following info is from Wikipedia: "The NTSB placed fault for ValuJet Flight 592 on three parties: SabreTech, for illegally transporting dangerous materials aboard a commercial aircraft, improperly labeling them, and not providing safety equipment to ship them; ValuJet, for not properly supervising SabreTech; and the FAA, for not properly supervising ValuJet and not requiring active fire suppression equipment in this cargo compartment. In 1997, a federal grand jury charged SabreTech with mishandling hazardous materials, failing to train its employees on proper handling of hazardous materials, conspiracy and making false statements. SabreTech's maintenance supervisor, Daniel Gonzalez, and two mechanics who worked on the plane, Eugene Florence and Mauro Valenzuela, were charged with conspiracy and making false statements. Two years later, having been found guilty on the mishandling hazardous materials and improper training charges, SabreTech was fined $2 million and ordered to pay $9 million in restitution. Gonzalez and Florence were acquitted on all charges, while Valenzuela failed to appear and is currently missing. In December 2008, the EPA announced a web site to search for "environmental fugitives," highlighting Mauro Valenzuela as a specific target." I could not find any information that indicated the crash was due in any part to SabreTech being union or non-union. The worst crash in US history (American Airlines Flight 191) was attributable to damage to the left wing engine pylon that occurred during an earlier engine change at American Airlines's aircraft maintenance facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The DC-10 itself acquired a bad reputation, but ironically it was often caused by poor maintenance procedures, and not design flaws. I beleive that the AA mechanics are represented by the Transport Workers Union but please correct me if I am mistaken. My point is that I have not been able to find any data that indicates any air crashes were due a firms status as a union or non-union shop, whether located in the US or outside the US. People cutting corners, taking shortcuts, purposely being dishonest or simply making mistakes caused these accidents; not whether the shops were union or non-union or if the work was done in the US or some other country. [/QUOTE]
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