Business agents

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by wadep, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. wadep

    wadep New Member

    Who or what is our buisness agent. In our centrer he shows up for special occasions, management changes, and very little else. In my 5 plus years with U.P.S. I have seen him about a dozen times.

    In other union represented jobs I've had, the B.A. is either on site, or pops into the facility 2 or 3 times a week.

    We have new hires that have been with the company for well over a year and have yet to meet the B.A.

    How does one proceed with a non confidence vote to have him replaced. What is the percentage of vote needed. Anyone?

    Our B.A. is a former U.P.S. driver.
     
  2. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

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    Your shop steward must communicate with the BA. Why don't you approach him, and suggest that the BA show up once or twice a week?

    It's not asking too much.
     
  3. helenofcalifornia

    helenofcalifornia Well-Known Member

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    If your business agent sucks, good chance your shop steward sucks too. How is a steward supposed to learn if not by example? Too bad that new hires or even old hires will never benefit from what a proactive business agent can do for them and their job. We had one who loved to come unanounced to the preload. Management hated him, but he didn't care. The agent that followed him was just like the one you are talking about. We have a so-so one now. One of our drivers is retiring soon and wants to be the new business agent. He is going to kick ass and take no prisoners. And what I mean by that, is make sure UPS follows the contract. I can hardly wait.
     
  4. ups79

    ups79 Active Member

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    The problem is he probably won't be able to collect his pension if he obtains another job as your BA. You know the old rule, "working in retirement and drawing a pension".
     
  5. olympicking

    olympicking olympic_king

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    My business agent told me that if I don't like working at UPS I can quit. I thought his fat checks were because of union dues.
     
  6. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

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    You don't see him when you attend the monthly union meetings either?

     
  7. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

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    "You don't see him when you attend the monthly union meetings either?"

    Ha, ya, you must see him down at the hall.
     
  8. local804

    local804 Well-Known Member

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    For the new hires that dont meet the business agent, well maybe thats a good thing. I am sure your BA is very busy at your building working with UPS management. Your business agent probably runs all shifts as does mine. Dont complain if you dont see him, Complain if he isnt there when you need Him!!!!

    ps You vote him in.....get it?
     
  9. GuyinBrown

    GuyinBrown Blah

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    What exactly makes him a bad BA?

    Do you have a problem that he is unable to resolve? Have you tried to contact him and gotten the runaround? Are contract violations that are brought to his attention not being challenged?

    Your steward should be your first contact anyway. He/she should be the one you see on a daily basis. I only see our BA a handful of times over the course of the year, but that doesn't mean he isn't doing his job. If I have a question or complaint, I go to the steward and 90% of the time he resolves the issue. On the occasions that he can't I'll call our BA and if he doesn't call me back the same day, he definitely calls be back the following day. He's made his cell phone number just as available as his number down at the union hall to anyone that wants it. On a couple of occasions he's made a call to my center manager to resolve an issue. Again, no face time but if my problem is fixed with a phone call, there are no complaints on my end either.

    Just because you don't see him every day doesn't necessarily make him a bad BA.
     
  10. wadep

    wadep New Member

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    Our B.A. isn't in our building. The last sighting of him on U.P.S. property was when our latest in a long string of center managers was introduced about 6 months ago.
     
  11. GuyinBrown

    GuyinBrown Blah

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    Again, I fail to see how this makes him a bad BA.... Have your latest center managers been violating the contract in some way that neither your steward nor BA have been able to rectify? And most BA's aren't in the buildings. They're generally down at the union halls. You do know the difference between a BA and a steward, correct?
     
  12. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

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    As a steward its our job to deal with the buildings. If we run into problems that we cant resolve we then turn it over to the agent. You must remember that these agent have several buildings to represent and just because you dont see them does not mean their not going there jobs. Almost all of the low level hearings that happen, happen when all the the drivers are already out on the street, so this way the grievant isnt embarassed by his situation. Now if the agents not doing his job then vote him out, but you also said hes a ups driver so im sure hes taking it seriously so he doesnt end up back on that truck soon!
     
  13. DS

    DS Fenderbender

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    The only time we ever see ours is at election time.I try to avoid them.
    In fact I hate them.They've never done anything for me except take my
    money.I`m sure after we leave the building,they go for a round of golf
    and lunch after with the local upper management.If they approach me
    I tell them I gave at the office.
     
  14. steamroll

    steamroll Member

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    who is this agent? he sounds like management. you don't work for him, he works for you :angry:
     
  15. Dirty Savage

    Dirty Savage Paranoid Android

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    Methinks they are talking about the Teamsters representative, not a UPS person. While we are on the subject, we see ours a couple of times a year. The Teamster's office is above a restaurant we UPSers go to for lunch sometimes, and he comes down to talk to us and buys us lunch sometimes. Yeah, he doesn't come in to the centre much, but he did make an appearance this peak when he came around to talk to us about the ridiculous hours we were putting in. So that was kind of nice.
     
  16. LKLND3380

    LKLND3380 Active Member

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    You have a shop steward for your building... Each shift (preload, drivers, twilight) should have a Shop Steward and at least one Alternate Shop Steward...

    The best way to meet and talk with your BA is to ATTEND LOCAL MEETINGS at the TEAMSTER hall... Meet you local president as well... Find out where your dues are going... BECOME A FACE THAT GOES WITH A NAME...

    Too many people bitch about the union but do not take time out for one day to attend the general meeting at the Union hall... This isn't big government where the president or governor is un approachable... This is YOUR UNION, take control and become involved...

    You may become the next Shop Steward or BA...

    (my next rant will be about co workers not reading or knowing the basics of the Master Agreement and Supplement):wink2:
     
  17. Ms Spoken

    Ms Spoken New Member

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    kind of hard to attend a union meeting when the hall is over 6 hours away. The last time I saw our BA I asked him who was getting fired since that is the only time he ever shows up. He didnt like that but, hey when it's the truth then so be it.
     
  18. HazMatMan

    HazMatMan New Member

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    I don't think he can officially retire from UPS if he gets a job at the Union hall. I could be wrong, it may differ where you are. If he leaves UPS to be a Business Agent or whatever for the Union I don't think he will get a pension..
     
  19. MR_Vengeance

    MR_Vengeance United Parcel Survivor

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    in my building, the BA is very busy working for the UPS management. Infact, he doesn't fight for everybody, he fight for his "friends" ( the selected few that he cares about )
     
  20. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator Staff Member

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    If he is in Central States, he would be able to now.
    Under the old CS mandates he would not have been able to work( even for the union) over 80 hours a month.
    Thank you, UPS, for bailing out CS.