Can hall hold the fort without Hoffa Jr?

[Anonymous 11]

The only people that think we are spoiled and fat are our current Union officials!!

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Okay with your unbiased attitude I won't waist my time with you. Good day.

 

[Irishman Collins]

Did it bother me? No because the members thought that if they continued to vote "no" that they would be able to keep their healthcare, which was never an option in the first place. The IBT has to work for all of their members and they did the right thing by imposing the contract.

No, local 89 for example, had real issues such as the shuttling issue and had their right to vote taken away. There is no excuse for what happened and anyone international or local that supported this move needs to be sent packing.

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[Bubblehead]

I'm not going to get into a debate. Those companies you mentioned were poorly run business models. That coupled with a glut of non union competition. Wake up to these factories so you can look a little more informed.

First off, your voice to text is letting you down.
Secondly, would you be willing to pay dues if you were only getting one year of pension credit for every four years worked?
At some point you have to throw down and say enough is enough to company that still operates with a poor business model.
How long until YRC goes the way of Hostess as there Board of Directors bleed the company dry?
In the small package arena, UPS has no union competition, yet they still dominate?
Seems to me that almost unequivocally, the wrong move is being made every time.
First they let UPS buy out of Central States Pension, then they put us in the Central States Health and Welfare fund?
Seems very contradictory.

 

[Irishman Collins]

Okay with your unbiased attitude I won't waist my time with you. Good day.

At least you can realize when you are over matched and good day to you as well.

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[Anonymous 11]

At least you can realize when you are over matched and good day to you as well.

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Whatever makes you feel better about being you. Even if it's getting the last word or trying to belittle someone. Have at it.

 

[Anonymous 11]

First off, your voice to text is letting you down.
Secondly, would you be willing to pay dues if you were only getting one year of pension credit for every four years worked?
At some point you have to throw down and say enough is enough to company that still operates with a poor business model.
How long until YRC goes the way of Hostess as there Board of Directors bleed the company dry?
In the small package arena, UPS has no union competition, yet they still dominate?
Seems to me that almost unequivocally, the wrong move is being made every time.
First they let UPS buy out of Central States Pension, then they put us in the Central States Health and Welfare fund?
Seems very contradictory.

Conspiracy theory.

 

[Mugarolla]

Did it bother me? No because the members thought that if they continued to vote "no" that they would be able to keep their healthcare, which was never an option in the first place. The IBT has to work for all of their members and they did the right thing by imposing the contract.

I've been over this before. It was an option to negotiate healthcare in local supplements and riders.

Supplements and riders override the master. Hoffa imposed the contract because he was afraid that there would be too many employees not going into Teamcare if he allowed negotiations to continue on the unsettled supplements and riders.

Teamcare would then not be taking in enough contributions to keep it viable.

You need to read up on contract law. Look at the local in Akron, Ohio. They got to keep their medical and not go into Teamcare because of their rider. And Pat Darrow was pushing Teamcare and his members did not go into it.

In other words, it did bother me that Hoffa forced me into Teamcare when I had the legal right to not go into it if he allowed us to continue negotiating instead of "imposing" the contract.


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[upschuck]

had real issues such as the shuttling issue

Everyone complained about the shuttling issue entering the building. If you entered into shuttle pick up location 20 minutes before start time, you got paid at start time whether or not you punched in on time because of the shuttle. It was already in their rider. If they chose not to enforce it, that is their problem.

I don't like the way contract went down, but it is what it is. Enforce what is in the contract.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Everyone complained about the shuttling issue entering the building. If you entered into shuttle pick up location 20 minutes before start time, you got paid at start time whether or not you punched in on time because of the shuttle. It was already in their rider. If they chose not to enforce it, that is their problem.

I guess if waiting around longer than 2 hours a week total without pay is your thing...which.... by the way...is going to get longer as they expand. You should get a bonus for riding that shuttle in and out every week.

 

[upschuck]

I guess if waiting around longer than 2 hours a week total without pay is your thing...which.... by the way...is going to get longer as they expand. You should get a bonus for riding that shuttle in and out every week.

You can put whatever in a contract, and if it is not enforced, then it means nothing.

 

[Jim Rockford]

That part of the contract is enforced.

 

[upschuck]

That part of the contract is enforced.

So, if they are getting paid to wait and ride the shuttle, what is the problem with the shuttle? I'm not saying there is no problems with this contract, but this issue was the predominant problem voiced by those who stated a problem.

I will let you have the last word, because I prefer not to rehash the same old arguments that have been stated before, with no possibility of anything being changed. During a time of possible changes, lets have at it, but after, let us all come together and stand united.

 

[Mugarolla]

So, if they are getting paid to wait and ride the shuttle, what is the problem with the shuttle? I'm not saying there is no problems with this contract, but this issue was the predominant problem voiced by those who stated a problem.

I will let you have the last word, because I prefer not to rehash the same old arguments that have been stated before, with no possibility of anything being changed. During a time of possible changes, lets have at it, but after, let us all come together and stand united.

I agree. We can dump Hoffa and Hall in 2016 and make some contractual changes in 2018. Make the best of it for now and enforce what we have.

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[Jim Rockford]

So, if they are getting paid to wait and ride the shuttle, what is the problem with the shuttle? I'm not saying there is no problems with this contract, but this issue was the predominant problem voiced by those who stated a problem.

Im not really arguing here. Just saying that the contract gives you 20 minutes to get there without an occurrence...you dont get paid for it. Assuming they install other wings as they expand....it'll become even more of a wait.

 

[upschuck]

The rider says differently

Any employeewho after badging in at the guard shack, rides

the shuttle, if the shuttle is available, and clocks in at their

work area, and is late as a result of a shuttle ride time of over

20 minutes, the employee will be paid from their regularly

scheduled start time and not charged an occurrence.

Now enforce it.

 

[Dracula]

There are over 1 million other teamster that don't work for UPS. Most of them don't think to highly of ups or upsers not do they care what happened with out contract. They think we are spoiled and fat. Ask around at your next monthly meeting how bad they feel for us?

This matters, why? Are you suggesting we lower our expectations and our contracts to get to their level? We never asked them to feel bad for us.

 

[Dracula]

Did it bother me? No because the members thought that if they continued to vote "no" that they would be able to keep their healthcare, which was never an option in the first place. The IBT has to work for all of their members and they did the right thing by imposing the contract.

Sure, until it goes against you. Then the bitching starts. It was a horrible precedent. PERIOD.

 

[Anonymous 11]

This matters, why? Are you suggesting we lower our expectations and our contracts to get to their level? We never asked them to feel bad for us.

Nope. Just pointing out that they actually vote.

 

[dumptheoldguardteamsters]

Okay with your unbiased attitude I won't waist my time with you. Good day.

BO you really need to go back to grade school Waist??? TRY WASTE... You also need to wake up and get off HOFFA and halls jock strap...

Where are the PIGS NOW??


"THE PIGS ARE IN THE MARBLE PALACE"

 

[Anonymous 11]

BO you really need to go back to grade school Waist??? TRY WASTE... You also need to wake up and get off HOFFA and halls jock strap...

Where are the PIGS NOW??


"THE PIGS ARE IN THE MARBLE PALACE"

I'm sorry I do a lot of voice texting and don't really bother looking it over much. You got me their.