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Can UPS fire a driver for not knowing Ketter verbatim?
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<blockquote data-quote="brownedout" data-source="post: 777591" data-attributes="member: 30910"><p>I know of drivers who excelled at reciting the Points, but also were later involved in serious on road crashes. I know one guy in particular who was very cocky (similar to your attitude) about how easy it was to recite verbatim, but was later involved in a serious on road roll over in a Feeder. </p><p></p><p>Reciting the Points proves nothing other than a gift of memory for such acts. Having a multi year safety record is proof enough the driver is doing something right.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Excellent points cosmic. I've been saying this for years. Of the drivers on safety commitee at my center, none has been in accident, but 2 of them are among the worst method drivers you would ever come across. This is in terms of actually delivering. Yet they are the ones harrassing other drivers when it comes to safety questions. A bunch of us always respond, "Let supervisor's supervise". I myself am fairly good at reciting the answers. Sometimes have trouble with 5 seeing habits because I jumble the How do you do it? And What does it do for you? For a couple of the points. Someone earlier remarked that as long as you say everything (touch on every point) that's enough. I can tell you from experience this is not the case. I'd love to agree with everyone who has said we should be paid to study. I will absolutely not study on my own time. I used to be able to take an extra 5 or so minutes lunch a couple of times a month and review the answers. But since they comb over every minute of our day for the last year, especially start and finish of lunch, this is no longer practical. I have never heard of our center paying us to study, nor is it my opinion they ever would.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="brownedout, post: 777591, member: 30910"] I know of drivers who excelled at reciting the Points, but also were later involved in serious on road crashes. I know one guy in particular who was very cocky (similar to your attitude) about how easy it was to recite verbatim, but was later involved in a serious on road roll over in a Feeder. Reciting the Points proves nothing other than a gift of memory for such acts. Having a multi year safety record is proof enough the driver is doing something right.[/QUOTE] Excellent points cosmic. I've been saying this for years. Of the drivers on safety commitee at my center, none has been in accident, but 2 of them are among the worst method drivers you would ever come across. This is in terms of actually delivering. Yet they are the ones harrassing other drivers when it comes to safety questions. A bunch of us always respond, "Let supervisor's supervise". I myself am fairly good at reciting the answers. Sometimes have trouble with 5 seeing habits because I jumble the How do you do it? And What does it do for you? For a couple of the points. Someone earlier remarked that as long as you say everything (touch on every point) that's enough. I can tell you from experience this is not the case. I'd love to agree with everyone who has said we should be paid to study. I will absolutely not study on my own time. I used to be able to take an extra 5 or so minutes lunch a couple of times a month and review the answers. But since they comb over every minute of our day for the last year, especially start and finish of lunch, this is no longer practical. I have never heard of our center paying us to study, nor is it my opinion they ever would. [/QUOTE]
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