Cardinal sins

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by tbird2000, Aug 7, 2014.

  1. tbird2000

    tbird2000 Working Class

    A veteran UPSer was escorted off property and their ID was confiscated by management for stating that they were uncomfortable performing a task due to fear of injury. And that's ALL there was to it. So.....where is the cardinal sin in that? Was this justified?
     
  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Job abandonment?


    Resident know-it-all.
     
  3. Jlemansk

    Jlemansk Active Member

    He or she will be back to work Monday.


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  4. retiredTxfeeder

    retiredTxfeeder cap'n crunch

    I'm guessing failing to follow instructions or to work as directed.
     
  5. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    Unless you're their steward....you don't know the whole story....do you?
     
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  6. tbird2000

    tbird2000 Working Class

    I'm an eyewitness and close friend, we started on the same hire date years ago.
     
  7. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    Then whats the story?
     
  8. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    and why post about it here, before your coworker has had a chance to grieve it and get his/her job back.
     
  9. Johney

    Johney Raise your hand if you think Upstate is a D-Bag

    Maybe he was told to jump off a bridge.
     
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  10. Ron Carey lives on

    Ron Carey lives on Well-Known Member

    ??????

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  11. There's at least three sides to every story.
     
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  12. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Insubordination is a Cardinal offence. Hope he wasn't just playing games with this "afraid of being injured". Driving a car or climbing a ladder has a risk of being injured.
     
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  13. Ouch

    Ouch Well-Known Member

    "UpstateNYUPSer, post: 1380105, member: 12570"]Job abandonment?


    Resident know-it-all.[/quote]
    Insubordination, if anything. They will be back. Good for the employee if in fact that is true. I would love to see the grievance on that one.
     
  14. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Does that free up his vacation picks?
     
  15. Johney

    Johney Raise your hand if you think Upstate is a D-Bag

    The person I quoted knows exactly what I'm talking about.
     
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    ....hence the "like"....
     
  17. Ron Carey lives on

    Ron Carey lives on Well-Known Member

    So he was terminated for? What a vague post. If you want some advice, explain the situation

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  18. undies

    undies Active Member

    Tell your friend DHL is hiring.
     
  19. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    You are allowed to refuse a work order if you consider it to be unsafe, unethical, or immoral if you are doing so in good faith. For example, a feeder driver can refuse to move a tractor trailer if if fails a legitimate pre-trip inspection or a driver can refuse to falsify documents for his center manager.

    Insubordination isn't a cardinal sin, but could be considered a termination under "just cause" depending on what it's over and the circumstances.
     
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  20. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    Nothing like being vague about the incident.

    What was the task that said employee was suppose to perform ? Is this a task that other employees perform every day or a new one ? What was the safety issue ? Did the employee ask for a steward ? etc, etc, etc.....