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<blockquote data-quote="Overpaid Union Thug" data-source="post: 1567711" data-attributes="member: 198"><p>And there is the disconnect between the upper management fantasy, making decisions off of reports, world and the drivers (and even some on car sups and managers with driving experience) that actually run the routes. You can't stick a new driver on a route and expect them to figure out how to run an ORION route effectively without area knowledge. In fact, most of of us that have area knowledge are still struggling in the bigger sprawling areas and dense neighborhoods because ORION is either so ineffective or random day to day, or both, that we end up entering those areas and can't figure out where the hell we are are supposed to go next. Let alone our next 5, 10, 15 stops. To accomplish that you have to stop and map out those stops where before ORION we just followed a predetermined route and adjusted based on our area knowledge.</p><p></p><p>Plus, ORION asks us to do dangerous tasks in order to save just 1/10 of a mile. Throw in the fact that ORION has so many flaws in it's "solutions" that even the ORION people are left scratching their heads. All of these problems just end up putting a driver in the position where they either have to spend allot of time idling while trying to figure out where to go next or just abandoning ORION for EDD and getting done allot sooner. And even if a new driver could figure out ORION all I can say is good luck while trying to find that next stop in the middle of that bulked out truck. They'll run 2 hour over the "plan" but at least they saved 5$ in gas! </p><p></p><p>At this point ORION is just an excuse to cut routes and keep bonus babies from running up their miles and corporate is telling half the truth when talking up ORION. The other half they are leaving out is that, even though they saved 500 miles last week, their paid day metric more than erased any monetary savings that resulted from that 500 mile cut. </p><p></p><p>And your theory about the public not having any sympathy for drivers because of our pay would probably be for not once the general public notices how late all of our drivers are having to work because of ORION. I normally take the approach that our pay and benefits is one of those things that is debatable but when it comes to ORION I believe that even the most ant-union outsider would probably find themselves re-evaluating that stance towards UPS drivers once they see the havoc ORION is causing on UPS drivers' family and personal lives.</p><p></p><p>Just saying.....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Overpaid Union Thug, post: 1567711, member: 198"] And there is the disconnect between the upper management fantasy, making decisions off of reports, world and the drivers (and even some on car sups and managers with driving experience) that actually run the routes. You can't stick a new driver on a route and expect them to figure out how to run an ORION route effectively without area knowledge. In fact, most of of us that have area knowledge are still struggling in the bigger sprawling areas and dense neighborhoods because ORION is either so ineffective or random day to day, or both, that we end up entering those areas and can't figure out where the hell we are are supposed to go next. Let alone our next 5, 10, 15 stops. To accomplish that you have to stop and map out those stops where before ORION we just followed a predetermined route and adjusted based on our area knowledge. Plus, ORION asks us to do dangerous tasks in order to save just 1/10 of a mile. Throw in the fact that ORION has so many flaws in it's "solutions" that even the ORION people are left scratching their heads. All of these problems just end up putting a driver in the position where they either have to spend allot of time idling while trying to figure out where to go next or just abandoning ORION for EDD and getting done allot sooner. And even if a new driver could figure out ORION all I can say is good luck while trying to find that next stop in the middle of that bulked out truck. They'll run 2 hour over the "plan" but at least they saved 5$ in gas! At this point ORION is just an excuse to cut routes and keep bonus babies from running up their miles and corporate is telling half the truth when talking up ORION. The other half they are leaving out is that, even though they saved 500 miles last week, their paid day metric more than erased any monetary savings that resulted from that 500 mile cut. And your theory about the public not having any sympathy for drivers because of our pay would probably be for not once the general public notices how late all of our drivers are having to work because of ORION. I normally take the approach that our pay and benefits is one of those things that is debatable but when it comes to ORION I believe that even the most ant-union outsider would probably find themselves re-evaluating that stance towards UPS drivers once they see the havoc ORION is causing on UPS drivers' family and personal lives. Just saying..... [/QUOTE]
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