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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 508883" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>In the same article above from Reason, there was also this:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So called conservatives scream bloody murder about the gov't using taxpayer dollars and it's power for jobs programs and wealth redistribution. They'll quote Marx and throw around the tags of communist and socialist at every whim to drive their point home. But they never see the very same thing when it comes to the military/industrial complex. There never see tax dollars compelled from Americans as wealth redistribution and income reallocation in the exact same way as so-called liberals, communist, socialist would redistribute wealth to non-workers and the bums of society. Any time you take money from me by any means other than my volunteering to do so without force or fraud and then doing with that money what I would not do if left to me to make the choice, that is wealth and income redistribution!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>A Yahoo or Google search of defense spending/job programs in various combinations brings up links to look at but I did find <a href="http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1996/us960520.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">this</span></a> from USA Today May/1996' and use it because of it's 13 year rear window look and then coming forward. </p><p> </p><p>Randolph Bourne in 1918' wrote <a href="http://antiwar.com/bourne.php" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">War is the Health of the State</span></a> and for those who prefer a limited gov't, war is the crisis mechanism by which the State itself grows. The continuence of war is necessary to justify the existence of the State and a growing State. Have we won the "War on Drugs" after decades and decades of battle? Have we won the "War on Poverty" after decades of battle? Inflation? Illiteracy? Single mother child births? Drunk driving? The list is endless but in that timeframe what has grown while the problem for all practical purposes is the same if not worse? What would the impact on government and to the unemployment rate be if all of a sudden we did win those wars? If you work in those areas for gov't, do you want to win or do you want more of the problem so you can advance and have job security? Self interests folks is not a dirty, greedy, evil liberterain thing by any stretch. </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> </p><p> </p><p>However, in all that warfare, nothing is ever defeated once and for all but The State and it's bureacracy grows up to focus on said war, grows literally into it's own industry and with it ever greater powers needed to give the appearance of actually doing something. Bourne has it right,</p><p> </p><p>War is the health of the State!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 508883, member: 2189"] In the same article above from Reason, there was also this: So called conservatives scream bloody murder about the gov't using taxpayer dollars and it's power for jobs programs and wealth redistribution. They'll quote Marx and throw around the tags of communist and socialist at every whim to drive their point home. But they never see the very same thing when it comes to the military/industrial complex. There never see tax dollars compelled from Americans as wealth redistribution and income reallocation in the exact same way as so-called liberals, communist, socialist would redistribute wealth to non-workers and the bums of society. Any time you take money from me by any means other than my volunteering to do so without force or fraud and then doing with that money what I would not do if left to me to make the choice, that is wealth and income redistribution! A Yahoo or Google search of defense spending/job programs in various combinations brings up links to look at but I did find [URL="http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1996/us960520.htm"][COLOR=red]this[/COLOR][/URL] from USA Today May/1996' and use it because of it's 13 year rear window look and then coming forward. Randolph Bourne in 1918' wrote [URL="http://antiwar.com/bourne.php"][COLOR=red]War is the Health of the State[/COLOR][/URL] and for those who prefer a limited gov't, war is the crisis mechanism by which the State itself grows. The continuence of war is necessary to justify the existence of the State and a growing State. Have we won the "War on Drugs" after decades and decades of battle? Have we won the "War on Poverty" after decades of battle? Inflation? Illiteracy? Single mother child births? Drunk driving? The list is endless but in that timeframe what has grown while the problem for all practical purposes is the same if not worse? What would the impact on government and to the unemployment rate be if all of a sudden we did win those wars? If you work in those areas for gov't, do you want to win or do you want more of the problem so you can advance and have job security? Self interests folks is not a dirty, greedy, evil liberterain thing by any stretch. :happy-very::happy-very::happy-very: However, in all that warfare, nothing is ever defeated once and for all but The State and it's bureacracy grows up to focus on said war, grows literally into it's own industry and with it ever greater powers needed to give the appearance of actually doing something. Bourne has it right, War is the health of the State! [/QUOTE]
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