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<blockquote data-quote="oompaa" data-source="post: 783493" data-attributes="member: 17474"><p>It really is essentially going back to foundations and traditions and that extra push that is given at the end of the year. Granted I have been out for 3 1/2 years, but it's just like yesterday that the hours put in were so unreal. No sense of human need involved in the equation. You know, basic necessities like sleep just don't get factored in at peak but yet we did it because there was that extra special piece and you felt good supporting a company that was also supporting you in tradition and a cores sense of value. Where is that now? I look back on Jim Casey and how he didn't have much in regards to family and his whole life revolved around the development of what became UPS and I believe he was essentially living out of hotel rooms for parts of his life traveling. I look back at the boss I had when I was working and much of his family was not pleased with him. His life revolved around brown and the brown blood. Brown blood runs through me today and if I was working there now I would be totally 100 % and more involved in everything that was going on and when peak came it was just that much more. But, they are taking away bits and pieces of the foundation of or core of some basic principles. It's like the stupid turkey. Yeah it's just a turkey, but it was a tradition, it had meaning. I see a major paradigm shift. I saw it when I was leaving and I see it even more now and it's sad to me. It's all about the numbers and it always has been. It's all about the profit. UPS wouldn't be in business if it wasn't about the profit, but at what point do you sacrifice the foundation, the principles, the employees, the community (aren't are families apart of that community) and continue to function. UPS will still function, but it is a slow decay. But that's just my opinion. And it's not just management, it's everywhere in UPS. A guy at my church works for UPS freight and just moved into a supervisor position and he is living the same life I lived when I was a supervisor. His peak is different, but it's become the same thing. Who cares about your family and your health. Get the packages from point A to point B extremely fast and don't put UPS in any liabilty, then go home without overtime or if your management work the hours to make up for those who can't work the overtime and work the 100 hour work weeks. How much are you really worth when you tack in that MIP and 1/2 month bonus plus salary into an 80-100 hour work week? It gets down to below minimum wage and yet you think you are getting paid good money. I sat in a UPS building one day working on my own work and listened as drivers called in dropping out like flies because of the heat - Is their health worth it, does anyone care? In my case I had mental health issues - did anyone care know. You have thick skin. You work, people throw you in the garbage, it's okay, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep going. The day I left a manager locked themself in their office and wouldn't come out having a total mental breakdown. So, does it surprise me that the people that are coming to work for UPS don't have the drive or motivation... No, it doesn't. It's not worth it. No money and no job is worth risking your life for. </p><p></p><p>Yeah at least the MIP is coming and at least they are still doing the half month even though it is spread out over the year, but you guys are right that they are saving millions by not dishing it out now and gaining interest on it as well as making themselves look good with good numbers, but they are putting off the inevitable cost of paying the employee and (to me) it just seems like the slow transition into weeding or eventually removing it all together. </p><p></p><p>The question I ask now, is do they really need the people with heart and that brown blood anymore? They are dummy proofing jobs everyday making it so that you are just as expendable as the next guy. Is your brown blood going to provide you any opportunities in the future? Especially if they can put someone in your place to work for less money with less experience cause they have dummied up the job. And they don't need the people working the long hours so much anymore in the hourly side cause they are gonna push the driver helpers and they want someone who only wants their 9-5 anyway. No overtime then no extra cost or pay boils down to less money they are forking out on their bottom line and that is more profit and money in their pocket. And if they can just keep pushing management and supervisors harder and harder then they can get them to essentially work for less money eventhough they think they are getting paid more with all the incentives and such. </p><p></p><p>I don't mean to be a negative person and put this all in a bad light, I just don't see what is happening as being something that is, in the future, going to benefit the company. the core mission, foundation, principles this company was founded on brought us this far. Why does it need to change? I am not opposed to change and certainly in an ever changing environment things constantly need to be reevaluated, but you might as well paint the cars a different color and give a whole new name cause it just isn't UPS to me anymore.</p><p></p><p>Sorry. lol. I guess I needed to vent. I apologize.</p><p></p><p>oompaa/heather</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oompaa, post: 783493, member: 17474"] It really is essentially going back to foundations and traditions and that extra push that is given at the end of the year. Granted I have been out for 3 1/2 years, but it's just like yesterday that the hours put in were so unreal. No sense of human need involved in the equation. You know, basic necessities like sleep just don't get factored in at peak but yet we did it because there was that extra special piece and you felt good supporting a company that was also supporting you in tradition and a cores sense of value. Where is that now? I look back on Jim Casey and how he didn't have much in regards to family and his whole life revolved around the development of what became UPS and I believe he was essentially living out of hotel rooms for parts of his life traveling. I look back at the boss I had when I was working and much of his family was not pleased with him. His life revolved around brown and the brown blood. Brown blood runs through me today and if I was working there now I would be totally 100 % and more involved in everything that was going on and when peak came it was just that much more. But, they are taking away bits and pieces of the foundation of or core of some basic principles. It's like the stupid turkey. Yeah it's just a turkey, but it was a tradition, it had meaning. I see a major paradigm shift. I saw it when I was leaving and I see it even more now and it's sad to me. It's all about the numbers and it always has been. It's all about the profit. UPS wouldn't be in business if it wasn't about the profit, but at what point do you sacrifice the foundation, the principles, the employees, the community (aren't are families apart of that community) and continue to function. UPS will still function, but it is a slow decay. But that's just my opinion. And it's not just management, it's everywhere in UPS. A guy at my church works for UPS freight and just moved into a supervisor position and he is living the same life I lived when I was a supervisor. His peak is different, but it's become the same thing. Who cares about your family and your health. Get the packages from point A to point B extremely fast and don't put UPS in any liabilty, then go home without overtime or if your management work the hours to make up for those who can't work the overtime and work the 100 hour work weeks. How much are you really worth when you tack in that MIP and 1/2 month bonus plus salary into an 80-100 hour work week? It gets down to below minimum wage and yet you think you are getting paid good money. I sat in a UPS building one day working on my own work and listened as drivers called in dropping out like flies because of the heat - Is their health worth it, does anyone care? In my case I had mental health issues - did anyone care know. You have thick skin. You work, people throw you in the garbage, it's okay, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep going. The day I left a manager locked themself in their office and wouldn't come out having a total mental breakdown. So, does it surprise me that the people that are coming to work for UPS don't have the drive or motivation... No, it doesn't. It's not worth it. No money and no job is worth risking your life for. Yeah at least the MIP is coming and at least they are still doing the half month even though it is spread out over the year, but you guys are right that they are saving millions by not dishing it out now and gaining interest on it as well as making themselves look good with good numbers, but they are putting off the inevitable cost of paying the employee and (to me) it just seems like the slow transition into weeding or eventually removing it all together. The question I ask now, is do they really need the people with heart and that brown blood anymore? They are dummy proofing jobs everyday making it so that you are just as expendable as the next guy. Is your brown blood going to provide you any opportunities in the future? Especially if they can put someone in your place to work for less money with less experience cause they have dummied up the job. And they don't need the people working the long hours so much anymore in the hourly side cause they are gonna push the driver helpers and they want someone who only wants their 9-5 anyway. No overtime then no extra cost or pay boils down to less money they are forking out on their bottom line and that is more profit and money in their pocket. And if they can just keep pushing management and supervisors harder and harder then they can get them to essentially work for less money eventhough they think they are getting paid more with all the incentives and such. I don't mean to be a negative person and put this all in a bad light, I just don't see what is happening as being something that is, in the future, going to benefit the company. the core mission, foundation, principles this company was founded on brought us this far. Why does it need to change? I am not opposed to change and certainly in an ever changing environment things constantly need to be reevaluated, but you might as well paint the cars a different color and give a whole new name cause it just isn't UPS to me anymore. Sorry. lol. I guess I needed to vent. I apologize. oompaa/heather [/QUOTE]
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