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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 307150" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Well believe it or not, Big does have a bit of a point here. Morally our society has declined and when the fabric of morally in the case of self control begins to wain, people look for some mechanism to step in. Filling the gap is based on long standing traditions of western man and it's centralized/aristocratic heiracy of gov't and therefore we conditioned in an evolution in reverse sense to never check ourselves atthe door but rather to look to gov't to make everyone else conform to our own way of thinking and morality. Govt's morality is not always based on true right and wrongs but rather what is in the best interest of what further's gov't and it's power.</p><p> </p><p>Early American society was free because people for one practiced a greater deal of self control because of a number of facors and the population was small and dispersed. People tend to gather in small enclaves are also more likely to be of like mind so local laws and customes were easily adminstered because the people already believed in them. The only time the collective got bigger so to speak was in the course of trade and for the purpose of self defense. It's also argued quite well that only in these type of conditions can you have these type of free and open societies. It's a good point but I'm still a contrian to the end!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>As America itself grew and the population became more diverse from immigration, the situation become more complex and then the eventual desires of people's making everyone else conform to their dogma's of life.</p><p> </p><p>Rome fell for a variety of reasons and Gibbons Decline and Fall is withwhile reading. Have it on my bookshelf too along with other historical works of the 18th and 19th centuries. In the years since we've come to learn more and the fall of Rome to the Goths should have come as no surprise to those who knew the great empires before. </p><p> </p><p>Morality in some sense played a factor but not in the same sense you might think. It also was not the over riding factor either as many political moralist so often like to point out. I too at one time belonged to that school of thought until I read more and especially studied the religions of the day. Along with history, I love learning anything about religion. Great subject IMO.</p><p> </p><p>It's easy to use the boogeyman of liberals are the root cause but it really does go way beyond that. I could point to dozens of cases where conservatives over time have in their own self interests underminded the cause of morality but if you'd just study the historical record for yourself, this would become apparent that we all share in the blame.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 307150, member: 2189"] Well believe it or not, Big does have a bit of a point here. Morally our society has declined and when the fabric of morally in the case of self control begins to wain, people look for some mechanism to step in. Filling the gap is based on long standing traditions of western man and it's centralized/aristocratic heiracy of gov't and therefore we conditioned in an evolution in reverse sense to never check ourselves atthe door but rather to look to gov't to make everyone else conform to our own way of thinking and morality. Govt's morality is not always based on true right and wrongs but rather what is in the best interest of what further's gov't and it's power. Early American society was free because people for one practiced a greater deal of self control because of a number of facors and the population was small and dispersed. People tend to gather in small enclaves are also more likely to be of like mind so local laws and customes were easily adminstered because the people already believed in them. The only time the collective got bigger so to speak was in the course of trade and for the purpose of self defense. It's also argued quite well that only in these type of conditions can you have these type of free and open societies. It's a good point but I'm still a contrian to the end! :happy-very: As America itself grew and the population became more diverse from immigration, the situation become more complex and then the eventual desires of people's making everyone else conform to their dogma's of life. Rome fell for a variety of reasons and Gibbons Decline and Fall is withwhile reading. Have it on my bookshelf too along with other historical works of the 18th and 19th centuries. In the years since we've come to learn more and the fall of Rome to the Goths should have come as no surprise to those who knew the great empires before. Morality in some sense played a factor but not in the same sense you might think. It also was not the over riding factor either as many political moralist so often like to point out. I too at one time belonged to that school of thought until I read more and especially studied the religions of the day. Along with history, I love learning anything about religion. Great subject IMO. It's easy to use the boogeyman of liberals are the root cause but it really does go way beyond that. I could point to dozens of cases where conservatives over time have in their own self interests underminded the cause of morality but if you'd just study the historical record for yourself, this would become apparent that we all share in the blame. [/QUOTE]
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