Citizen Action: Moving Beyond the State

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wkmac, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

  2. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Maybe some of the GOP supporters would sprint from the country club and grab a shovel. Maybe not. Bring-back the CCC.
     
  3. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member

    People sticking together, that is what we need again.
     
  4. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    So when the Golden Gate Bridge starts to fail, some west coast contractors are just gonna get together and slap it back together? Same with roads and water systems and codes and safety standards be damned? That's just silly.
     
  5. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    no just your comment is silly.
     
  6. curiousbrain

    curiousbrain Well-Known Member

    Way to contribute to the topic; very insightful.
     
  7. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Fact is, alot of things on a small scale are in their own way wonderful but simply don't translate to a much larger venue. Codes and regulations start to make sense.
     
  8. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Of course what they did there wouldn't/couldn't translate to the Golden Gate bridge, however this does show an effort not seen in recent years and it's a good thing they accomplished. Give them the accolades they deserve. Littleboybrown was right, we do need to stick together for a common good.
     
  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    No argument on scale the GGB may be far beyond the level of an average group of citizen volunteers but unlike others here I'm glad you brought it up. The GGB from it's emotional appeal (tourism, symbology) seems a worthy cause and the fact that people choose to move and live off the main shore on a pennisula, the bridge seemed a worthwhile endeavor. However, when you look at the best allocation of resources and the amount of continuing resources needed to sustain such endeavor, the entire effort does raise numerous questions. Also one should read history as well in that why the bridge was built, who wanted it and who profitted and compare that to the industrious local citizens in Hawaii who obviously profitted from their road and bridge but took it upon themselves to take on the direct challenge. Whether they were perfect in what they did or holding to some idealic principle is up for debate but the fact that they didn't wait on someone else to "cook their food and turndown their bed" is worth noting, study and discussion.

    The real point of the original post not only to make fun of how SSSSLLOOOOWWW gov't road crews can be at time, (more often than not the problem is the local planners not the crews) was the very point that "littleboybrown" made. He flat nailed it dead on the money!

    There's a lot more that could be said about the GGB and other such endeavors of large scale but I'll leave that for another time and place.

    BTW: I have no proof of this whatsoever but what if another interest better connected than those local Hawaii businesses were behind the scenes encouraging the local commissars to "drag their feet" on behalf of another economic interest who would benefit it those businesses went bye-bye?