Clinton Adminstration Supported Al Qaeda

[wkmac]

Clinton Adminstration Complicit in Supporting Islamic Terrorists

Truth is, everyone's hands are dirty from Carter Forward

 

[klein]

Clinton Adminstration Complicit in Supporting Islamic Terrorists

Truth is, everyone's hands are dirty from Carter Forward

I'm not even going to read that. Have enough problems after watching your 2 videos on the Ronnie site !
American foreign policy at it's best !
Got to stick your nose into everything. Worse then Russia has ever been !

 

[wkmac]

Can you handle Pt. 3 of The Power of Nightmares?

 

[klein]

I sure will ! Better then any movie I have ever seen !

 

[newfie]

Clinton Adminstration Complicit in Supporting Islamic Terrorists

Truth is, everyone's hands are dirty from Carter Forward

I think this may the first post where I've seen you bash a democrat. Good job!!

 

[wkmac]

@newfie

Doesn't it suk when you discover something that throws a monkey wrench into your assumptions.

I give you some quotes of H. L. Mencken to ponder on when it comes to where I might begin to stand.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright maroon.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.

I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.

Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.

All government, of course, is against liberty.

A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.

When you begin to grasp some of this along with the fact that I DETEST democrats/republicans along with partyarch liberals and conservatives all with whom I hold an equal contempt, then you just might be at a starting point to grasping what I might be all about.

 

[newfie]

@newfie

Doesn't it suk when you discover something that throws a monkey wrench into your assumptions.

I give you some quotes of H. L. Mencken to ponder on when it comes to where I might begin to stand.
When you begin to grasp some of this along with the fact that I DETEST democrats/republicans along with partyarch liberals and conservatives all with whom I hold an equal contempt, then you just might be at a starting point to grasping what I might be all about.

Not sure there is a monkey wrench here. I'm just commenting on what I have seen in the short time I have been here. I don't mind that you are of the liberal persuasion , you do present yourself well. Sometimes to the degree I am struggling to keep up. I just don't think you should represent yourself as libertarian if you lean left. JMHO.

 

[wkmac]

Not sure there is a monkey wrench here. I'm just commenting on what I have seen in the short time I have been here. I don't mind that you are of the liberal persuasion , you do present yourself well. Sometimes to the degree I am struggling to keep up. I just don't think you should represent yourself as libertarian if you lean left. JMHO.

Well you went back and found that one post or thread, what happens if you look further?

BTW: Historical libertarianism is a movement from the left.

 

[Sportello]

Just to be clear, the original article posted by @wkmac over 5 years ago was taken from Republican sources intent on taking down the Clinton Administration. It was originally published published in 1997, and reprinted in Sept 2001.

From the linked article:
The CRG does not necessarily share or endorse the conclusions of the document which emanates from the Republican Party.

 

[wkmac]

Just to be clear, the original article posted by @wkmac over 5 years ago was taken from Republican sources intent on taking down the Clinton Administration. It was originally published published in 1997, and reprinted in Sept 2001.

From the linked article:
The CRG does not necessarily share or endorse the conclusions of the document which emanates from the Republican Party.

No problem there but let's also point out that Global Research is considered left wing in Canadian political circles. Republicans are not always wrong in some critiques just as Karl Marx is not always wrong in some of his. But in many cases they often are horribly wrong with horrific consequences just as the democrats are. And come on Sport, you know the Clintons are all but Neo-Con lite to begin with. Even Koch money was welcomed into the DLC and its causes. Something neither democrats nor republicans want to talk about in the open and for the same reason.

You know me well enough that when I trash democrats, I typically do so from left wing sources. Even my criticism of Sanders has been via left wing criticisms which are many and growing. In fact here is another from Counterpunch which even you know is leftwing.

Bernie and Hillary: the Sheepdog and the She-Wolf in Vegas

Or what about Robert Scheer at Truthdig?

Bernie Blew It: He Sold Out Instead of Confronting Clinton


You want to pull up some of the pieces from Chris Hedges, a real socialist, who slams Sanders for what he really isn't? How about Glen Ford or Bruce Dixon at Black Agenda Report on their critiques of not just Sanders but of the democrat machine?

Bernie is nothing more than a gatekeeper and many of the principled left as opposed to the partyarch left know this and are speaking out about it and I may disagree with them on specifics but if someone is even a socialist and yet calls out the 2 party state as nothing but 2 wings of the same bird of prey, I'm standing with them.

And as much as I disagree in many cases with @oldngray on numerous issues, he does have you pegged correctly when you kneejerk about sources, not that they may be wrong but they are sources that just contradict your own narrative and your only criticism is who they are.

Global Research openly admitted and credited the source as republican but where is the source factually wrong?

 

[wkmac]

BTW: Considering the events of Libya and others events in the Middle East under the psychopath Hillary along with the drone O-Bomb-A, it is worth making note of and that to use Russ Baker's "Family of Secrets" title, it may not be just the Bush family who has things to hide!

 

[newfie]

May not?

 

[Sportello]

And as much as I disagree in many cases with @oldngray on numerous issues, he does have you pegged correctly when you kneejerk about sources, not that they may be wrong but they are sources that just contradict your own narrative and your only criticism is who they are.

I think that one must look at all sides when discussing an issue. I did not dismiss your sourced, I pointed out that it was actually from the Republican party.

I just think that to truly understand an event, one should look at all sides and draw their own conclusions. This is a good, impartial starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_administration#The_Balkans

From there one can explore a number of avenues.

 

[wkmac]

I think that one must look at all sides when discussing an issue. I did not dismiss your sourced, I pointed out that it was actually from the Republican party.

I just think that to truly understand an event, one should look at all sides and draw their own conclusions. This is a good, impartial starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_administration#The_Balkans

From there one can explore a number of avenues.

I agree and maybe you should have just posted that link to begin with.

 

[wkmac]

Twice in the last two decades, significant cuts in U.S. and western military spending were foreseen: first after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and then in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. But both times military spending soon increased, and among the factors contributing to the increase were America’s interventions in new areas: the Balkans in the 1990s, and Libya today.1 Hidden from public view in both cases was the extent to which al-Qaeda was a covert U.S. ally in both interventions, rather than its foe.

The US-Al Qaeda Alliance: Bosnia, Kosovo and Now Libya. Washington’s On-Going Collusion with Terrorists

And not that the US has not been known to play both sides for 1) a need to fulfill a greater agenda that grants more power and more importantly protects a hegemonic monetary position and 2) the Deep State supplies sock puppets with plausible deniability to sell to the public which the public typically buys hook, line and sinker. With Iran Contra to the Balkans to now the global war on terrorism. The republicans proclaim Reagan and Bush Jr. as saints and the democrats do the same for Clinton and now Obama. Like B.friend. Skinner's pigeon, we peck and on command they feed us but we fail to realize they own the box!

 

[Sportello]

I agree and maybe you should have just posted that link to begin with.

Perhaps you should have posted some background, since you posted the Republican opinion, which was very misleading as to the actual circumstances involved.

I'm fairly positive deals have been made between ideological enemies ever since men first fought in groups.

Humans....

 

[Sportello]

Like B.friend. Skinner's pigeon, we peck and on command they feed us but we fail to realize they own the box!

Perhaps we are aware the whole thing is rigged beyond what we can change, and choose to make the best of it?

One can follow blindly to 'their cause', or one can learn to be somewhat safe and free under the radar. I choose not to poke the sleeping bear. I guess it all depends on what you're looking for.