Conservatism turns children into LIBERALS! and heres the proof!

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Jonathan Krohn, a 13 year old teen who spoke at the CPAC conference when he was 13 thirteen years old, now 17, says he is no longer a CONSERVATIVE! He captured the hearts of right wingers everywhere as he merely repeated the words of his parents and brainwashing while he was 13 years old. Used as a political puppet to promote conservatism, Krohn now 13 says he didnt believe the rhetoric and was simply "repeating what I had been told" at the conference.

Today, Krohn says he supports OBAMA, OBAMACARE, GAY MARRIAGE and his favorite shows are The Colbert Report, John Stewart and he is enrolling at New York University.

Jonathan Krohn: CPAC's boy wonder swings left - POLITICO.com

It doesnt take much to see that modern day conservatism is for the old and outdated.

Good Job KID! Break the cycle, be an example, be yourself, reject the brainwashing and make up your own mind on issues.

BRAVO!

35 sec of clapping - YouTube

Peace

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moreluck

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First he was 13 and then he was 17. He ain't votin' anyway so what do we care what some pimply faced kid thinks or says??
 

Jones

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I read the Politico piece and politics aside the kid actually comes across as fairly level headed and self aware, probably more than I was at 17 anyway. Who knows what he'll be doing 10 years from now.
 

brett636

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Ya, we saw how that worked out for this kid, who was being programed by his parents until he started thinking for himself.

Conservatism, an oxymoron.

Peace

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Does this mean heterosexuality turns kids homosexual too? We all know heterosexual couples have kids and every once in a while some turn out gay so using your logic all kids born today should be gay because their parents are heterosexuals.
 

wkmac

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Because a hole is dug doesn't mean one is required to now wallow in it's mud.

The problem in debating the words Conservative and Liberal in their modern usage is typically the lack of historical knowledge of the terms by those engaged in the debate. Understanding the historical ideals and actions makes it quickly clear that those who embrace both modern terms with almost religious fervor today know next to nothing of what they are talking about. Now the quick response is always, "but that's what the majority of people think so that's all that matters." History is loaded with examples of the majority being grossly wrong and appeals to majority is not an argument.

Etymology of Liberal

liberal (adj.) mid-14c., "generous," also, late 14c., "selfless; noble, nobly born; abundant," and, early 15c., in a bad sense "extravagant, unrestrained," from O.Fr. liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous, willing, zealous" (12c.), from L. liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," lit. "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free man," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious," from PIE *leudh-ero- (cf. Gk. eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), and a suffixed form of the base *leudh- "people" (cf. O.C.S. ljudu, Lith. liaudis, O.E. leod, Ger. Leute "nation, people;" O.H.G. liut "person, people") but literally "to mount up, to grow." With the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action," liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88.

In reference to education, explained by Fowler as "the education designed for a gentleman (Latin liber a free man) & ... opposed on the one hand to technical or professional or any special training, & on the other to education that stops short before manhood is reached" (cf. liberal arts). Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from Fr. libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]​
liberal (n.) 1820, "member of the Liberal party of Great Britain," from liberal (adj.). Used early 20c. of less dogmatic Christian churches; in reference to a political ideology not conservative or fascist but short of socialism, from c.1920.
This is the attitude of mind which has come to be known as liberal. It implies vigorous convictions, tolerance for the opinions of others, and a persistent desire for sound progress. It is a method of approach which has played a notable and constructive part in our history, and which merits a thorough trial today in the attack on our absorbingly interesting American task. [Guy Emerson, "The New Frontier," 1920]


Etymology of Conservative

conservative late 14c., conservatyf, from M.Fr. conservatif, from L.L. conservativus, from L. conservatus, pp. of conservare (see conserve). As a modern political tradition, conservatism traces to Edmund Burke's opposition to the French Revolution (1790), but the word conservative is not found in his writing. It was coined by his French disciples, (e.g. Chateaubriand, who titled his journal defending clerical and political restoration "Le Conservateur"). Conservative as the name of a British political faction first appeared in an 1830 issue of the "Quarterly Review," in an unsigned article sometimes attributed to John Wilson Croker. It replaced Tory (q.v.) by 1843, reflecting both a change from the pejorative name (in use for 150 years) and repudiation of some reactionary policies. Extended to similar spirits in other parties from 1845.
Strictly speaking, conservatism is not a political system, but rather a way of looking at the civil order. The conservative of Peru ... will differ greatly from those of Australia, for though they may share a preference for things established, the institutions and customs which they desire to preserve are not identical. [Russell Kirk (1918-1994)]​
Phrases such as a conservative estimate make no sense etymologically. The noun is attested from 1831, originally in the British political sense.

Etymology of Statism

statism c.1600, in reference to church-state matters; 1919 as the opposite of individualism; from state + -ism.

Typically I find both who argue in modern context for either liberal or conservative traditions to always be co-equals when it comes to being adherents to statism. Clarity of historical understanding demonstrates that the outcomes of either side in the modern context will always devolve into statist solutions and that free men will be restrained from natural evolution in learning, knowledge and understanding. Or more important, the very application of all that is discovered. Self evident truth of such suppression is the very lack of societal transparency and the peer pressures on all forms of free speech and expression of ideas or thought but the kneejerk fear that comes when baseless ideas are challenged.

It is only men of domination, men of the means of force and aggression who require a curtain to hide behind, who fear light or truth.

The very root word for liberty is the Latin word liber which is used for the word book being where knowledge or information is found. Liber is also a Roman god whose name means, "the free one." The same word liber also gave us the word for library.

Maybe it's time we began to open our minds instead of closing them down and yes, in the classical sense, I am a liberal just as many of the great enlightened minds of the 18th and 19th century were when the domination of church and state began to be seriously challenged. Instead of wallowing in the holes of others, pick up the shovel of the autodidact and fill them in.

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