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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 212487" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p><span style="color: blue">Here's what i see. You're standing on the deck of the titanic. you're playing your fiddle and standing tall with the band and thats admirable. You despise those who have already jumped into a lifeboat. There is a reason that the some left the union. they clearly felt the teamsters were not making an honest effort to represent their interests. You don't recognize that. when you see them leave the ship you assume there is something wrong with them you don't look to see if the ship is leaking itself. From my perspective biased as it may be I don't see a teamster democracy. I see an organization that carefully crafts the rhetoric of the evil empire and expects its members to blindly follow the script. If for instance a teamster was to stand up in the hall and actually say he enjoyed his job and was proud to work for ups then many members of the hall would chastise him for being a suck up. Here and on other boards you continously see the "hate the company" rhetoric appear. So when it comes time to save the pension you folks throw up a road block by saying the company can not be part of the solution. As such you limit options and force everyone back into accepting a plan thats forty percent funded. You can sit down and negotiate a pension plan that ensures everyone a good retirement but you limit your choices to the point where no retirement is accepted because otherwise you are not a good brother in the union. God help us if the company and teamsters ever got together on the same frickin page. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 212487, member: 1912"] [COLOR=blue]Here's what i see. You're standing on the deck of the titanic. you're playing your fiddle and standing tall with the band and thats admirable. You despise those who have already jumped into a lifeboat. There is a reason that the some left the union. they clearly felt the teamsters were not making an honest effort to represent their interests. You don't recognize that. when you see them leave the ship you assume there is something wrong with them you don't look to see if the ship is leaking itself. From my perspective biased as it may be I don't see a teamster democracy. I see an organization that carefully crafts the rhetoric of the evil empire and expects its members to blindly follow the script. If for instance a teamster was to stand up in the hall and actually say he enjoyed his job and was proud to work for ups then many members of the hall would chastise him for being a suck up. Here and on other boards you continously see the "hate the company" rhetoric appear. So when it comes time to save the pension you folks throw up a road block by saying the company can not be part of the solution. As such you limit options and force everyone back into accepting a plan thats forty percent funded. You can sit down and negotiate a pension plan that ensures everyone a good retirement but you limit your choices to the point where no retirement is accepted because otherwise you are not a good brother in the union. God help us if the company and teamsters ever got together on the same frickin page. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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