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<blockquote data-quote="RockyRogue" data-source="post: 212731" data-attributes="member: 7185"><p>Krash, </p><p> </p><p>I want to be 100% clear: I wasn't a UPS'er in '97. I turned 13 that year. As a result, I didn't have a union affiliation. That didn't happen until two or three years later when I went to work for a unionized Chicago grocer. </p><p> </p><p>And I have a problem with your examples above. Most are ethically abhorrent examples. The rest are not the type I'd engage in--period. Working off the clock? When h*ll freezes over. Snitch on other drivers? I'll plead the 5th on that one on these grounds: if there was an unethical or illegal activity, bet your a** I'd snitch. In all other cases, that's between me, my conscience and a higher power. <strong>I DON'T WORK FOR THE IBT</strong>!!!! A UPS officer signs my check. That is where my ultimate loyalty lies. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>GREAT POST!!!! I state for probably the 50th time: I have no problem with unions. They need a facelift and a lesson in modern industrial practices but I have no problem with the fundamental concept of unionization. I'm one of the most honest, ethical people you'll ever meet (or so I'm told<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" />). Attempt to coerce me and I catch you, you'd better have a phalanx of people to cover your a**. Otherwise, I'll get it<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/tongue_smilie.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue_sm" title="Tongue Smilie :tongue_sm" data-shortname=":tongue_sm" />. It may take time but I <strong><em>will</em></strong> get you in hot <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />! And this is directed to both union and management: there is a big difference between a leader and a manager. A manager can be both. A leader doesn't have to be a manager, by the way. Its been my experience in the working world that if a manager is strictly a manager and does not display leadership qualities that I will not "run through walls" to accomplish a given task. A manager without those leadership qualities (this wasn't a UPS manager) once asked me to complete a task that required a run through a wall or two. I looked at him flabbergasted and said, "Wall? As in <em>that</em> wall? I don't think so!" Another manager that displayed leadership qualities made a similar request and I said, "Sure! No problem. Give me a few minutes." My point is this: Carey seems to have displayed leadership but his motivations were not pure and/or in the best interest of UPS'ers. Maybe it was for himself. Maybe it was for the Teamsters as a whole. I don't know my UPS/Teamsters history as well as I should. Make sense, Mr. Red? Mr. Krash? -Rocky</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RockyRogue, post: 212731, member: 7185"] Krash, I want to be 100% clear: I wasn't a UPS'er in '97. I turned 13 that year. As a result, I didn't have a union affiliation. That didn't happen until two or three years later when I went to work for a unionized Chicago grocer. And I have a problem with your examples above. Most are ethically abhorrent examples. The rest are not the type I'd engage in--period. Working off the clock? When h*ll freezes over. Snitch on other drivers? I'll plead the 5th on that one on these grounds: if there was an unethical or illegal activity, bet your a** I'd snitch. In all other cases, that's between me, my conscience and a higher power. [B]I DON'T WORK FOR THE IBT[/B]!!!! A UPS officer signs my check. That is where my ultimate loyalty lies. GREAT POST!!!! I state for probably the 50th time: I have no problem with unions. They need a facelift and a lesson in modern industrial practices but I have no problem with the fundamental concept of unionization. I'm one of the most honest, ethical people you'll ever meet (or so I'm told:thumbup1:). Attempt to coerce me and I catch you, you'd better have a phalanx of people to cover your a**. Otherwise, I'll get it:tongue_sm. It may take time but I [B][I]will[/I][/B] get you in hot :censored:! And this is directed to both union and management: there is a big difference between a leader and a manager. A manager can be both. A leader doesn't have to be a manager, by the way. Its been my experience in the working world that if a manager is strictly a manager and does not display leadership qualities that I will not "run through walls" to accomplish a given task. A manager without those leadership qualities (this wasn't a UPS manager) once asked me to complete a task that required a run through a wall or two. I looked at him flabbergasted and said, "Wall? As in [I]that[/I] wall? I don't think so!" Another manager that displayed leadership qualities made a similar request and I said, "Sure! No problem. Give me a few minutes." My point is this: Carey seems to have displayed leadership but his motivations were not pure and/or in the best interest of UPS'ers. Maybe it was for himself. Maybe it was for the Teamsters as a whole. I don't know my UPS/Teamsters history as well as I should. Make sense, Mr. Red? Mr. Krash? -Rocky [/QUOTE]
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